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Originally posted by gl2
I should say how I feel. I oppose any harm done, any weaponisation of the human alien context. We can have technology to safely monitor and patrol our skies without blasting aliens down to scavenge their advanced technology. I've never advocated, nor will I advocate harming or killing an alien. We can do better than that.
I've been an activist for non-violence all my life, although the right to overthrow a tyrannical, corrupt government is surely valid. My reports may be different than Nancy M. for example, but we should all share what we know. Then we'll learn more. By writing a book and on the web in detail, I share my awarenesses. I've been in contact groups, have gone to some conventions and I correspond with numerous researchers.
I read your post, and, WOW, you are good. But not good enough to sway those who know the aliens. You gather too much moss on your quest. You appear to be too invested in what you have already professed.
Whether it is immediately apparent to some, or not, advanced life evolves from animal origins. Due to flaws, sometimes corruption, sometimes aging and a kind of emotional dessication due to LONG, LONG extended alien lives, some at the peak of a given collective's heirarchy can begin to rationalize the sacrifice of others.
You speak as if all alien life is the same, and then again in other paragraphs, as if they are all against each other...
When the gray planet died, didn't the larger federation look on?
The Grey's planet did not die. And the advanced races have always been willing to help other less advanced races.
Based upon voluminous evidence of many researchers, it should be obvious that the federation does, in fact, intervene directly in desired planets' affairs. That's clearly what the hybrids are about.
Voluminous evidence is flawed, due to its sources being corrupt. Advanced races do not and cannot intervene into another planet's affairs without an invitation. That does not mean from its corrupt governments, such as on Earth, either.
So why didn't they intervene to save the original gray planet?
The Grey's planet did not die.
Why would they come down here, favor some over others, even go so far as to breed hybrids (they aren't in a museum "out there," frankly--they are used to further the given collectives objectives), and then not have a direct presence here. That's the whole point in making them look like us--to mix and blend in, probably in selective, strategic positions (unknown to the average person). They have vast material and resource, personal and social needs.
The advanced races are not breeding hybrids. The Greys are one single race here now, and they are no longer breeding hybrids either. Alien people nor hybrids can live on Earth. No alien race has infiltrated ours. The alien races work through willing individual humans only.
We would be naive to assume that, given their breeding program and obvious staging here, on this planet's surface, they don't have certain objectives in mind. Imagine the time and expense of what they've done. How do they explain that to their people?
You speak of all races here as the same. They are not. There are no more breeding programs going on at Earth, because the organization of races stopped The Greys from carrying it out, by giving them what they need in other, more appropriate ways.
They have to be moving toward a goal.
The organization of visiting races has a goal. It is to build a diplomatic relationship with our world. The only thing in the way is the social and political structure of our humanity.
The most cynical, dessicated (often aged) old stalwarts (yes, they do have a heirarchy, a government that gives some authority over others) can easily decide that if some grays get shot down, during the course of their play-both-sides-off-of-each-other intervention here, that sacrifice is necessary for their common good (probably argued in terms of their ideals, not their resources, for propaganda purposes, of course). So, we have the ugly, disturbing prospect of higher-level "federation" aliens deliberately putting grays into harm's way, essentially knowing that criminal elements in our black budget structure will kill and try to use them for profit.
Now that The Greys are working within the organization, they have the same protection from the organization as any other race visiting. The advanced races do not sacrifice anybody to humans, within or without the organization.
As long as they hold out the hope that breeding program hybrids can effect their objectives here, the sacrifice can be written off as normal. Huge, complex governments suffer certain ironies. Aliens have individual psychologies, wrapped into the larger social identity, of course. That is to say, some aliens will be cold, capable of actions that lead to harm. They aren't all the same, nor are their formative experiences.
Now you say they are not all the same. There are no more breeding programs going on here, either.
We have different experiences, but as long as we all share them, the truth--a probable mix of all experiences, will be clear to others. By the way, Nancy, the federation you know does not represent ALL aliens.
The Union represents ALL of the alien races visiting Earth now. No race visiting Earth is independent any longer. All work within its guidelines and under its protection.
The universe is so much larger than that, that it should be obvious.
True. The Universe is larger. The races visiting Earth are all advanced, and from nearby in our own galaxy, most from our own arm Orion. The Union of our part of space is of five galaxies, a mere fraction of this Universe. All galaxies are formed into Unions of near galaxies. All galaxies are networked into a larger collective to share information between them. All Universes are also networked between the most advanced races. Only the most primitive races are excluded from mature participation in their Union area yet, like us.
The longest evolved race that visits Earth is over 6 billion years. The longest evolved race in our Union is 16 billion years.
True, a larger sharing of all alien governments' info comprises a kind of community, but think for a moment: a hundred billion galaxies, maybe 1/10 of which are large spirals or ellipticals/lenticulars. Multiply those billions by tens of trillions, and you see that the gray-related federation is but a tiny, tiny fraction of the whole. Indeed, we live out on the (out in the woods) fringes of a relatively small supercluster of galaxies--Virgo, just 2000 galaxies. The federation, at most, would represent, the dominant populations of but a few galaxies, at most, plus some scattered other planets. The Horologium supercluster, some hundreds of millions of light years off is 10,000 galaxies or more and it is the standard, large sized supercluster.
The Greys are one race that visits Earth. They are the newest, latest members to the organization of 218 races that visit Earth. "The Federation" is not named after The Greys in any way.
So, a small federation of but a few galaxies isn't all the aliens out there. Instead, it would be 1/10,000,000,000 th of the total visible galactic populations. Then, add to that aliens who came, conceivably during previous universe cycles and may be able to obscure themselves yet exist in large numbers, and the federation isn't the main act, frankly. That's one ten billionth of the total VISIBLE likely aliens. Your assertion that they are all the aliens is like a future human on this planet of ten billion saying he/she is all the humans that live. It isn't a scientific estimate.
Like I said a hundred times and I will say again, all the races that visit Earth are from nearby in our own galaxy. They all work under the larger collective of "The Intergalactic Union" which is networked with all other Unions, which is networked with other Universes. Advanced races work together to secure the foundation of all newer up and coming races in an area. This is to ensure peace between our worlds.
That larger diversity will work to our betterment, in the future. There are certainly alternatives. I, along with others, am well acquainted with some such alternative aliens, many of whom are BILLIONS of years more advanced than the most advanced species of federation aliens. Of course, to be fair, federation aliens will try to say that they have interacted with more advanced aliens. They may even try to model themselves, loosely, in similar terms, but let's be honest. They aren't that advanced.
Your manners and your information do not suggest you have personal experiences with advanced races, or anything of the sort. Your basic knowledge of the structure of the network between races is more like that of what mere humans on Earth experience between countries within their own world structure.
Science, data, numerous observations and analysis will give us the best picture. Sure, you like those aliens. I remember when I first encountered them, too. I was literally awed. Later, I encountered others, who helped me develop a much larger context for an analysis.
If you had actually encountered the most advanced alien races visiting Earth, or any races visiting Earth, you would not encounter any others to the contrary of the organization.
You speak well, but you still give yourself away. You sound remarkably like a government agent posing as an experiencer. You are invested in your book, but you are transparent to those of us who really know the aliens.
Originally posted by malakiem
Well, while i'm thinking about it. What does everyone think of kesara? They say many of her pictures are true representations of aliens. And from a credible stand point, many adbuctees say her alien drawings are exactly what they encountered.
Originally posted by Umbrax
The common idea is that all ETs are either hostile or they could care less about us.
[edit on 29-1-2005 by Umbrax]
I too, support the race here that humans call The Greys. They are a fine race, and past differences are just that- past, and no longer happening and never will. It may be your perception from all the junk you have read that Boylan completely disregards the negative elements surrounding The Greys. I don't know what he says. I do know that The Greys are here to stay and are working within the standards set by the organization now. It seems to me that you are determined to make a whole picture out of too few pieces, most of which are planted easily within your reach for diabolical reasons, and not by any visiting race.
From my own experience, I can tell you that The Greys were not abducting all of their alien contacts, and that most of the humans who were working with them on their hybrid program were willing "though on a higher level" which in itself poses a problem for humanity's view of alien contact and what constitutes taking advantage of us. Hybrid programs are also not allowed under the Union because there are other, more appropriate and advanced ways to share genetics with a desperate race.There are absolutely no more abductions of any humans going on by any alien race at Earth. It is not allowed, and not possible any longer. All of the races here are working together under one guidance and assitance for one same goal. The races who could not join the organization are no longer visiting Earth. If you can't believe that, at least take a view of it upon what you are considering and see what it all looks like that way, because it will help you see for yourself who making claims is honest and who is dishonest, either by accident or on purpose.
Like I said, The Greys are a fine race and here to stay. They are no longer conducting a hybrid program, and their personal contact with their related humans is above-board.
The name "The Greys" was coined by humans and derogatively connotated. Their appropriate name for humans to use is The Ancient Ones.
Originally posted by TerraX
Well, the names I listed are 'experiencers' like yourself and like yourself they tend to soften or downplay other material to the extend it sounds completely unreliable while they themselves hold the truth.It happens more then you think and as I mentioned before it's ultimately confusing and hampering progress simply because these people are going to bump into eachother with their information and cause friction.
As for your own experiences, I don't know for sure if it's real or how far you're correct in certain matters.Since I don't know I'm going to stay 'centered' for now, take on a more neutral position.Yet I also have to mention that having done a lot of research, I'm not going to throw that away just because you say otherwise.Simply put, I'm not going to take your word for it.What I will do is compare the information you present with information that is out there and look for consistencies or discrepancies.
Funny that you should mention that the Greys are here to stay.Years ago I got the impression that they are not 'going anywhere'.Besides, if you create hybrids with the dna building blocks for Earth, where would they mostlikely go? Right, Earth.In fact it's theoretically possible the hybrids would be introduced to Earth and we the Cro-Magnons follow the way of the Neanderthals.If that were to happen I wonder if the Greys would ask for permission to do that.
Yeah, the 'Soul Agreement' sounds nice but on the other hand can be cheap excuse for abduction, we also have no way confirming such an agreement so it must remain speculative at best for now.
The abductions seems to have slowed down the recent years and not many stories surface.It could be that the abductions stopped.Still if more stories would surface again then your statement that 'there are absolutely no more abductions' will be utterly incorrect.
You also seem to have a "let by-gones be by-gones" attitude on the abductions.
Really ES, some people will carry the traumas caused by abductions for the rest of their lives.I'm afraid the Greys are not getting so easily of the hook.
The fact remains that instead of taking people against their will, they could have contacted a person and consciously ask permission to use their biological material.They did no such thing.
Some women even reported having their unborn child removed and later be shown the hybrid child.This process reduces the woman-abductee to nothing more then a biological incubator and is basicly highly disrespectful to put it mildly.
You have your work cut out for you EarthSister.I'm also afraid that your word that everything is 'good' now wont cut it.Just because you have enlightend contact doesn't mean that everyone else had it.If you really want to make amends, then I suggest that you relay to your friends that they apologize for their actions, not to me, not to the world, but to the people they abducted and hurt.
Originally posted by blackSt33L
One does not mean to be a sceptic but you do know there are many others claiming to be what you are.Many who claim to be in contact with extra-terrestrials(some are members),yet most say totally different about the greys and other extraterrestrials.
Many say there is no Union,while others say there is but its just our galaxy.Clearly what im trying to say here is that I`v come across many so-called``abductees``telling us mixed information.How do you hope to achieve spreading what you claim is the truth when there are others just like you trying to spread other different ``truths``.Surely your intentions are to spread your claim to many others,if not,whats the use of contact?
I stay verymuch to the left.Don`t get me wrong,you seem like a good willed person,but one must stay everso alert of claims like these.
Originally posted by Xatnys
After reading this thread and good deal of your web page, I wanted to pop in and say hi as well as ask a few questions of you....
Originally posted by TerraX
Umm, what was it again that I warned other contributors on this board off? Oh yeah, now I remember.If you go about claiming how everybody else is incorrect and how your own person is correct in every way, you're gonna bump into the next person (who sometimes does the same).Think I mentioned this in one of earliest posts, yeah...