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Originally posted by gl2
So, skeptics are respected here. But, to continue the thread, for those who are convinced that aliens exist, do you think there is an alien federation? If so, do you have any info or observations to share? All varieties of experience accepted, none declared invalid or of no value. All equals, all of it open-ended.
Originally posted by gl2
There are gov't agents on some boards, but they tend to deny all aliens exist, or they take a militaristic approach. They don't "take over," because they're too far off. People see through them. They can't prove that aliens don't exist; the cat has been out of the bag for years, especially since CSETI's 2001 press conference. The alien subject is broad and diverse--just like the universe. No single human has it all right. No one ever will
---there's a kind of Godel's incompleteness dilemma in it: the terms of any individual's definitions are self-limiting, never capable of completeness.
Some will literally try to persuade you that theirs is the one, true story. Like religion, there is one way only. All the others are imposters, suspicious infidels (trying to discredit them?) But we're talking about the universe/multiverse, which isn't singular. Contact aliens yourself, or study remote viewing, then get the story directly from aliens. There are politics, different histories, buffers against aggressive upstarts who want to leech more advanced technology. There is diversity, not a single washed stone for you to accept without questioning. Richard Boylan is so enamored of the aliens who've abducted, and, at times implanted him, that anyone who criticizes them is seen as a spy or a maniac. Boylan even calls Dr. Steven Greer, the world's most recognized statesman on the subject, a Rockefeller CIA shill. Boylan calls Dr. Michael Salla a similar thing. This subject isn't about loyalists to the one, true alien entity; it there were one true community, it wouldn't be entirely alien. Religion is religion, but science is different. Along with thoughtful judgement of any report, you should scrutinize any alien representation with equally rigorous method. They aren't angels, any more than we are. Have you ever seen a large, complex government that didn't lie, including ours? The same is true about aliens. Truth, if you experience it directly, is coherent, universal because it's the only actuality. You get a feel for it. But on a board like this, unless you're some phenomenally gifted remote viewer, it's all just words. The logic and the evidence are to be tested.
There are good aliens, but sometimes even they have to speak out independently of a given faction within "their" government. The scene in the Kevin Spacey movie about a supposed human w. alien insights had a good idea: government needn't be an external set of standards, always to be twisted and corrupted by the first pig to get his hands on it. Cosmic citizenship should be equal, within. The sooner all humans can remotely view and understand the universe, the better will be our life here. You can get a deep, intuitive sense of the best of it all, and become such, but there is much to sort out. Aliens are all deeply studied and can quote voluminous facts from memory. They develop their thinking, always evolving it. One is never finished, nor is the community.
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I've read alot of Earthsisters posts and imo she is either mentally unstable, a con-woman or a front for a more organized cult like The Family or Scientology (sorry dear).
Originally posted by Spiderj
Actually michael what I said was that imo after reading her posts that yes imo that's In My Opinion, she is probably unstable. that's what my opinion means.
Originally posted by SimonGray
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Colonialism is oppression. Informed, elective choice is a better alternative.
For example, if I am willing to sell my fellow-man and join the alien propoganda network, what's the best career field to pursue?
Finally, no: sex-positive is the style today, but the unversal standard is non-sexual. Just be able to suspend your sexual reasoning, to think clearly.
Originally posted by smallpeeps
You've typed a lot of words but could you type a few more about this idea of sex-positive versus sex-negative?
I wanted to thank you for your time. Please get back to me via this post or U2U. I also wanted to let you know that what I ask is for my own personal research. It doesn't directly deal with your situation, but everything ties together in the end .
Originally posted by EarthSister
Originally posted by Xatnys
After reading this thread and good deal of your web page, I wanted to pop in and say hi as well as ask a few questions of you. Please take no offense by anything I post.
I wanted to start off by saying that your understandings, as personally revealed to you do come with an "air" of truth or at the very least, a confidence in your words.
I wanted to say that, as my heart truly does believe you are speaking from your inner self, and it's not a guise.
Don't mistake that for meaning that my brain or my logic structure(s) are in unison with my heart. They are much more skeptical. Again, take no offense to this.
Good evening. Your questions are great and I am never offended by sincere questions or sincere skepticism.
I apologize for this being so long. I hope it helps you better understand where I am coming from, because short answers really can't.
1. How long, by your understanding, has this council been visiting the planet known as "Earth" in any manner? To what degree have they directly interacted with the general population of "Earth", and how much interaction was originally directed at just the governments of the population?
Alien races have always visited Earth since before we humans were here. Some of those were members of The Council. Not all visiting now have always visited. The Council as you see it on my pages has been actively organizing the races visiting Earth for "thousands of years," they told me. So I asked how many thousands, but they declined to be more specific at that time, I believe because it would open my mind to more questions that also were not in line for me to be told the answers to. The best metaphor for this common occurrence (of requests for information being declined) is eating a meal a bite at a time, or a lifetime of meals a plate at a time, while many other people in other places are sharing the bounty, all on one due course.
In May 1990, there were 170 races visiting Earth, and 30 of them were in, or of, "The Project" which is the loose name for their organization and the goings on of their organizing all of the visiting races into a unit. (There is one Project at Earth. Other Projects are for other worlds, and every world of intelligent life has a Project-- or an organization of visiting races.)
In the time between May 1990 and April of 2000, The Project was completed by the efforts of all its old and new members, mainly The Council, and also with help of some of the humans who work openly with alien life. The completion consisted of bringing all visiting races under the guidance, protection and agreements of the organization. It meant that some of the races visiting had to bring their methods up to the new standards, with all assistance possible from The Project races. It also meant that some visiting races who would not or could not comply, or simply had no authentic reason for being here, had to leave. The organization of our visiting races also made it possible for our other neighboring races, who previously refused to visit until they could depend on their efforts being productive here, began visiting. This brought the visiting races to exactly 218.
The benefits of being organized bring a sharing of knowledge, technologies, techniques and assistance to each of the visiting races, which is necessary to them all now that we humans are reaching a critical point of maturation in our own natural evolution. The visiting races now share the common goal of offering humanity a diplomatic relationship and bringing humans on Earth to a true awareness of alien life.
Unfortunately, the way we have our political and financial systems, and power structures, set up on Earth-- country against country, and our religious teachings (many) of dogma, superstition and money, have us road blocked against accepting the truth or visitation from our neighboring races. (This is just a nutshell, and I hardly understand the workings of governments or special interest groups.)
Alien life has always interacted with the public by sightings, and with particular individual humans personally for conversations and teachings. Contact is never random. To be an experiencer, a person has to be related to an alien race by spirit, and has "some kind" of personal contact, whether they recall it or not. Most experiencers do not recall any contact. Most of those who do recall contact, have one or two or a few encounters that they recall, and then refuse to or cannot proceed on a physical level, though contact may continue in other states of consciousness.
40 to 42 percent of the population of Earth is "some kind" of a personal experiencer (although anybody may spot an alien craft). Ten percent of those are directly related to another race by spirit, meaning they were in life in another race before. The remaining percentage of experiencers are offspring of the 10%. No alien people, or hybrids, live or walk around on Earth, or are infiltrated into our governments, or interbreed with humans, or run our world in any way.
The organization does not work directly with any Earth governments. Some of the races visiting Earth have approached our leading governments and offered their assistance, which was always refused. The US government made trade agreements with The Greys regarding their hybrid programs in exchange for technologies, which they forced upon The Greys under threats to (all) aliens and to the individual humans who worked with them, especially with The Greys. The Project races helped The Greys break those agreements. The Greys still have some ties with the US government, but they are no longer corrupt on The Greys' part.
How much interaction there was between The Greys and the US Govt, I don't know. But it is my plain teaching and experience that propaganda was used to blow this interaction way out of proportion, and remarkably against The Greys, in order to discredit any of it being known or accepted by the public when it leaked and spread.
More recently, the organization of visiting races accepted a request by the US Government to open a dialog. Initial stages of this did not work out because the US Government (I don't know who) thought they could lie to the aliens, and tried to get away with doing something underhanded that would set themselves up later with the benefit of a "loophole" to use to work around their agreements. I do not know exactly what the trick was, and I do not know whether talks have resumed yet. We all want talks to resume, but only honestly.
The alien races view and treat our governments and its publics as one humanity. Their mission is for all of humanity, and whatever we do on Earth to ourselves and each other, the visiting races only do the best they can to work for all without discrimination or disregard. They are not angels and they are not perfect. And just "look" at what they have to work with. And no matter what, this is still our own race and our own world, and they can't overstep their jurisdiction at the risk of taking over for us.
2. Is there a common or underlying belief system found amongst the various races that make up the council? What are some of the main points to the belief system(s) you are familiar with? Does that in any way relate to any of the various belief systems found here on "Earth"? I am far from a spiritual person by most common terms, but I will recognize how vital these belief systems are to the progress of cultures and entire civilizations. I state that so you know the motive of my interest.
There is a strict protocol and structure to The Council and how the members behave and interact. They each have their own specialties. They call on the specialties of the other races also to help them do their work, and the consult the more advanced races above them whenever they need to. There is a lot more to this, a little of which I know about.
But I think you are talking about religion. Spirituality is natural and Universal because all life is created by God. Spirituality is not exactly about being "good" although that too-- it's about being natural. What I have learned from all my spiritual experiences is that religion is not God, and God did not make religion. If you study religion, you learn about man. If you want to know about God, you have to go straight to God. There is nothing wrong with religion, but see it for what it is and what and who it really serves.
From all my spiritual teachings, and not just from alien life, "The Son of God" has been to many worlds, but not all races of life needed him to live right inside of their races in order to teach them. Some, he could just talk to. There is one God, and as well, one "Son" who is God. On other worlds, The Son of God is known by other names. All known races in the all the known Universes believe in the one same God. That is because God takes care of that, not other races. However, humanity of Earth is the only known race anywhere who holds the concepts of a devil or a hell.
God is not like anything you will ever hear about on Earth, because it can't even by spoken, and that comes strictly from my own experience with God.
The concepts of spirituality as natural are ever present and underlying through all of my experiences with my alien contacts, as well as all of my other spiritual and physical experiences with all life. "All life" is spiritual, no matter what your practice, experience or belief. All you have to do to discover it, is plug in.
3. It would seem to me that most of the time your apparent contact comes to you in a rather non-physical manner. That is to say that your consciousness is "taken" aboard alien ships and to visit alien lands. Is this due to any particular reason? I can understand the magnitude of logistics required for multiple biological entities to meet in a common, physical space. What I want to know is what are the other reasons for a lack of physical interaction?
They do it that way (spiritually) mostly because they have to, and also because they can. It takes a great deal more effort and considerable risk of accidental detection, and harm both to the aliens and to us, to meet physically. Usually what seems like physical meetings are the technological effects of contact from one dimension to another, each with its own atmosphere and value of time. We don't need to bring our physical bodies with us to a craft, unless there is a physical reason for having it there.
Also, the alien races are very selective in who they show themselves to, when and how, even in a crowd of people or a busy family or in the flow of traffic on the highway. The resulting affect on us of teaching and understanding what is true, is the goal. It is very easy for any meeting to instead produce a counterproductive affect on us, teaching the wrong idea or leaving us even more afraid of the aliens than we were before they tried to approach us to open our awareness of them.
Tie tightly into all of that, the propaganda generated by the governments who are against the alien races being here, and against you befriending them. If it becomes common knowledge that the aliens are here, that will force us to force our governments to issue statements about them, and those statements would not be good at this time. The longer you have to learn the truth yourself, the less chance of you believing the wrong thing. This is hard to describe, but please do not underestimate the government conspiracy against the alien races, which is really to conceal the goings on of the governments. It is their own crimes the governments hide from us. Only the aliens can hide themselves, but the governments can still tell you what to think about them. In fact, at this time, the government can still blame all its crimes on the aliens and the general public would believe it. If the aliens "showed up" and the government fired at them, the government could tell its people that the aliens fired first, or absolutely anything else, and the public would believe it. The threat the governments hold against the alien races is just that- mass chaos and confusion against the aliens and against its own people. This would not produce what the alien races are trying to help humanity achieve.
4. Since you are advised by your contacts to never keep any uncontestable evidence of their existence, for protection from current government, how do you personally validate your experiences?
It is not my goal to personally validate my experiences to others. But sometimes it happens that others have experiences with me, or they have their own experiences that coincided with what I have helped them understand. I help others achieve their own awareness, so they can do what they can do with their own alien contacts. Because of what I know, I can help almost anybody, who wants to, understand the concepts that surround alien contact, so I do that too. Helping somebody understand something is "far" more valuable than any hunk of metal that could mean literally anything anybody said it meant, or even be stolen, or confiscated to then be used to "prove" I was lying.
5. How can you truly be sure that your experiences are real? Furthermore, if you can truly be certain that they are really taking place, how can you be certain that what is being presented to you is, indeed the "truth". The "Truth" heh, I know that's really a loose term at best. But what I'm getting at is: How are you sure that these entities are not furthering an agenda which you are kept wholly unaware of? How are you certain the entities themselves are not a construct of a local (to "earth) government that is trying to steer civilization for their own reasons?
Jack's and my experiences are both physical and spiritual. We have experiences together, and so do our children although not to the extent we do. There is "no doubt" in my mind that what I experience is real. If I only had a few dreams of alien life, like most people do, I would dismiss them. However, my husband and I often have the same dreams, and then later in the day while we are awake, our alien contacts visit our home and discuss the content of the dream with us. Some courses of events play out over months of events in various ways, yet it all comes together without pieces hanging up in the air or left over. It's all the same, and it only took a little time for this to become the norm for us.
Jack and I have met race after race and continue. We ask questions of all of them, write everything down that happens, been warned of pending events, been treated with nothing but respect in all situations by them, and not one time has any of the things they have taught us or told us was going to happen, come out to be untrue or misleading. They have our respect and trust. We know they are not God or Angels or all-knowing, and they have made some mistakes before that we knew about, but we know them as the "true" professionals they are, and so we help their efforts. We know them as family and friends. We know ourselves to be one tiny part of a magnitude of effort all around our planet involving hundreds of races over thousands of years.
The doubt or question of others is not enough to make me doubt the aliens. It is just because these people have not experienced it that they doubt it. If I listened to those people early on, I may have doubted the aliens before I ever had the chance to see enough for myself too, and I would be just like almost all of the alien experiencers who have a dream, or see a craft, and miss some time, and go join an alien abduction support group where they learn that the evil aliens ate their baby or something.
Other than that, you would have to get to know the aliens for yourself to know for yourself the answer to your question. And I highly recommend that if you get the chance to get to know the aliens, take it. Don't listen to anybody that does not encourage and support you.
6. What do you feel is to come for the human civilization in the next 6-10 years? 50? 100? 1,000? No need to get too technical here, just general thoughts from your view.
I have not been told any of these things, and I really do not know. These are just off the top of my head, and somewhat sarcastic.
6-10 Large changes dotted among many small changes over a period of time, all having something to do with Earth's discovery of other life. I see it already started and moving swiftly considering evolutional time.
50 World wide knowledge of the true intentions of the alien races visiting Earth, our beginning the cleaning of our planet, better ways of using better fuels, distribution of medicine, food and education.
100 More of the same.
1000 Assurances of peace in place on our world and between us and our local worlds. Select travel to other worlds of life. Advanced medicine and technologies.
6-10 More government kidnappings and assassinations of alien experiencers.
50 US war against Japan and other countries that threaten the US power. Food shortages. Fuel shortages. Framing of visiting life for government crimes.
100 More War Famine Disease Poverty across Earth
1000 The US Government owning the whole depleted world.
7. If these contacts do in fact view current forms of government as adversarial towards their citizens, why do they allow it to continue? In my view of ultimate logic, it would seem that the alien race would choose to break all bonds upon the citizenry, and then provide them with a choice in the interests of free will and basic universal rights. Unless, of course, they wish for the citizens to first decide to break their own bonds, which is logical. But not practical when most citizens don't realize the bonds are there. Is it? I ponder this greatly in relation to your thoughts and experiences.
We elect our governments, at least we think we do. Even our governments who really elect our governments are all one of us. This is our own world and it is not any other race's place to step in and take over. But even then, there is a limit to what secures their jurisdiction. If somebody here had their finger over a button that would demolish the whole planet, the aliens would be within their mission here to stop that. Less than that, there is really not a lot they can do themselves.
On the other hand, whatever they teach to humans, and humans take with them to help change the course we are on, is just fine. It doesn't matter where a human gets information or teachings from, if a human who works with alien life pushes to make changes for the betterment of humanity, the alien races can back him up all the way and in any way necessary.