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Schools offer ‘safe spaces’ to combat ‘toxic masculinity'--“Unlearning Toxic Masculinity”

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posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 12:46 PM
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originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: facedye

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: facedye

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: facedye

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask



From the opening post:




Men often resort to violence to resolve anger because that is the only emotion "they" have been socialized to use.


...socialized to use...programmed to use.


but this is a false statement. women are socialized to be violent as well.


It is a true statement from the college.


yes, and the statement itself is false. it does not have any logical weight, nor consistency.

men use their fists to resolve disputes. women do too.

violence is a fact of life. believing that it is something that can reasonably be suppressed or done away with entirely is a pipe dream.


The violence they are referring to is not limited to fist fights.


ok - what other kinds of violence are they referring to?


This is the full statement -




“Men will often resort to violence to resolve conflict because anger is the only emotion that they have been socialized to express,” a description for the school’s “Unlearning Toxic Masculinity” initiatives states. “BWell is investing in creating safe spaces for men to unpack all of the things they have learned about masculinity and what it means to be a man. The goal is to help those socialized as men to unlearn some of the notions that have led to such profound harm being enacted towards others and towards themselves.”


...uncontrolled anger towards others...that would include everyone not just other men.


I asked you what other kinds of violence there were, because you stated that it refers to more than just "fist fights."

the section you posted is also one I've read in its entirety, and it strictly refers to physical violence.

so I ask again - what other kinds of violence are there that you're referring to? I was never specifically talking about men. both men and women act violently.




posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: facedye

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: facedye

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: facedye

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: facedye

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask



From the opening post:




Men often resort to violence to resolve anger because that is the only emotion "they" have been socialized to use.


...socialized to use...programmed to use.


but this is a false statement. women are socialized to be violent as well.


It is a true statement from the college.


yes, and the statement itself is false. it does not have any logical weight, nor consistency.

men use their fists to resolve disputes. women do too.

violence is a fact of life. believing that it is something that can reasonably be suppressed or done away with entirely is a pipe dream.


The violence they are referring to is not limited to fist fights.


ok - what other kinds of violence are they referring to?


This is the full statement -




“Men will often resort to violence to resolve conflict because anger is the only emotion that they have been socialized to express,” a description for the school’s “Unlearning Toxic Masculinity” initiatives states. “BWell is investing in creating safe spaces for men to unpack all of the things they have learned about masculinity and what it means to be a man. The goal is to help those socialized as men to unlearn some of the notions that have led to such profound harm being enacted towards others and towards themselves.”


...uncontrolled anger towards others...that would include everyone not just other men.


I asked you what other kinds of violence there were, because you stated that it refers to more than just "fist fights."

the section you posted is also one I've read in its entirety, and it strictly refers to physical violence.

so I ask again - what other kinds of violence are there that you're referring to? I was never specifically talking about men. both men and women act violently.


It would include any type of violence that is happening on campus' today.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 12:48 PM
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When a guy gets in trouble on campus it is one of the forms of punishment the school can use for the incident. "Take this course or take suspension".



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 12:50 PM
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a reply to: nfflhome

What about when a women get in trouble, or a trans?



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: nfflhome

What about when a women get in trouble, or a trans?


Clearly it's a result of toxic masculinity and through no fault of the individual.

Duh!



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: corvuscorrax

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: facedye

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: facedye

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: InTheLight

True it is against the law, but when you have no record. And plenty of witnesses see the "assault" of pop being spit on a 4-5 year old child, the law will see it your way.

You must have loved it when Obama "had a red line" that was not to be crossed. He decided to make threats and not back them up. Cool HUH?
Obama: No Regrets on Syria ‘Red Line’
www.breitbart.com...


So, when a 4-5 year old child is spat on violent physical assault on a 12-13 year old child is justified? Is that your stance?


yes, sometimes teenagers get beat up and deserve it too.

a human being can survive a punch or two, ya know.


Being spit on or called a name should not elicit physical violence - teenagers are children.


"should not"? sure, I agree that it "should not" elicit physical violence.

unfortunately our our nature, our biology, our history, our sentiments, our emotional complexes, our philosophies, our mental states, our perceptions of ourselves, and our sense of self respect don't always let us act how we "should."

I hope you consider that you're advocating non-violence in a situation where almost anyone, man or woman, would feel the natural need to get violent.


You are condoning violence against children, something I would never condone.


But you are condoning poor behavior from teenagers go unpunished.

Unless you think a kind gentle explanation of what they did wrong and how it made you feel is enough to prevent it in the future?


I am condoning physical violence as a response to poor behaviour from adolescents and young people. Get hold of the Manager of wherever you are and have them thrown out, simple and just punishment for bad behaviour.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: InTheLight

Sorry, but when a young person-over 18- spits soda on your kid and then laughs-punch.

My wife would be furious and unpleasantly surprised if I stood there looking for a customized broom closet to use a safe place.

Don't know what your situation is, but there is social rules. Violate them and there are consequences.


Now it is over 18 - what if that person was 17?


I would ask who his or her parents are... and knock the parents teeth out for raising such a terrible little ass who hasnt figured out that being rude can get you harmed. A kid of any age KNOWS better. Kids and lazy parents should know that they never know just what others are capable and very willing to do. If you need safe spaces.. more power to you, Ill help you build it and escort you to it.... May even guard the door for you... but many of us dont and dont want to use them. Besides, I have a GREAT attorney...

People are too afraid of violence.. EEEEEEverything is seen as violent these days. Maybe folks should stop being so damned rude. Your momma may have told you every word you uttered is profound and you walk on water, but its not reality.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 12:54 PM
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a reply to: Advantage

What if they have no parents and were raised through child protective services - who's teeth will you punch out then?



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: InTheLight

Some people believe in handling business then and there instead of waiting for an authority figure to come and save the day.

I don't ever see that changing.

Not all bad behavior occurs in movie theaters or restaurants.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 12:57 PM
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originally posted by: corvuscorrax
a reply to: InTheLight

Some people believe in handling business then and there instead of waiting for an authority figure to come and save the day.

I don't ever see that changing.

Not all bad behavior occurs in movie theaters or restaurants.


It is not saving the day by showing the teenager that their acts come with consequences.

It clearly shows by the replies here that physical violence (lack of anger control) dominates and if we don't look long and hard at this, I don't ever see that changing either.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 12:58 PM
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originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: facedye

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: facedye

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: InTheLight

True it is against the law, but when you have no record. And plenty of witnesses see the "assault" of pop being spit on a 4-5 year old child, the law will see it your way.

You must have loved it when Obama "had a red line" that was not to be crossed. He decided to make threats and not back them up. Cool HUH?
Obama: No Regrets on Syria ‘Red Line’
www.breitbart.com...


So, when a 4-5 year old child is spat on violent physical assault on a 12-13 year old child is justified? Is that your stance?


yes, sometimes teenagers get beat up and deserve it too.

a human being can survive a punch or two, ya know.


Being spit on or called a name should not elicit physical violence - teenagers are children.


"should not"? sure, I agree that it "should not" elicit physical violence.

unfortunately our our nature, our biology, our history, our sentiments, our emotional complexes, our philosophies, our mental states, our perceptions of ourselves, and our sense of self respect don't always let us act how we "should."

I hope you consider that you're advocating non-violence in a situation where almost anyone, man or woman, would feel the natural need to get violent.


You are condoning violence against children, something I would never condone.


sorry, I really don't see it that way, and I don't think that you can support the argument that bad behavior in teenagers is never resolved or remedied by physical means.

i think you're paying attention to their age and not taking into consideration their intellectual and physical capacities.

I've been in a few fights as a teenager. it's shaped me into a stronger person. the idea that I'd be a much more well developed individual had we "talked it out instead" is unrealistic and silly to me for many tangible reasons.

ever seen two people fight and shake hands afterwards? I wonder what that's all about...



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: InTheLight

Why should it change?



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: corvuscorrax

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: facedye

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: facedye

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: InTheLight

True it is against the law, but when you have no record. And plenty of witnesses see the "assault" of pop being spit on a 4-5 year old child, the law will see it your way.

You must have loved it when Obama "had a red line" that was not to be crossed. He decided to make threats and not back them up. Cool HUH?
Obama: No Regrets on Syria ‘Red Line’
www.breitbart.com...


So, when a 4-5 year old child is spat on violent physical assault on a 12-13 year old child is justified? Is that your stance?


yes, sometimes teenagers get beat up and deserve it too.

a human being can survive a punch or two, ya know.


Being spit on or called a name should not elicit physical violence - teenagers are children.


"should not"? sure, I agree that it "should not" elicit physical violence.

unfortunately our our nature, our biology, our history, our sentiments, our emotional complexes, our philosophies, our mental states, our perceptions of ourselves, and our sense of self respect don't always let us act how we "should."

I hope you consider that you're advocating non-violence in a situation where almost anyone, man or woman, would feel the natural need to get violent.


You are condoning violence against children, something I would never condone.


But you are condoning poor behavior from teenagers go unpunished.

Unless you think a kind gentle explanation of what they did wrong and how it made you feel is enough to prevent it in the future?


I am condoning physical violence as a response to poor behaviour from adolescents and young people. Get hold of the Manager of wherever you are and have them thrown out, simple and just punishment for bad behaviour.


you truly believe the guilty teenager is going to feel "punished"?

i think this is an unreasonable conclusion to make.

they'll instead walk all the way home laughing about being thrown out of some place for "pissing off some dumb guy in line with his family."



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 01:02 PM
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The ONLY men (sexual aggressive) that really need this course are the very men who would NEVER attend it !

As for the rest of the men, I as a woman, feel that this group of men could use a course on RE-GAINING their masculinity !
As the years progress, it's sad to see more and more men being pushed by society to become like women !!

I've said it before and I'll say it again- "Let men be men and women be women" ..."stop screwing with nature "

Sorry society, but your plan to weaken the strong from fighting back is going to backfire on you!!

By society's attempt at neutering men and in exchange, empowering women, they actually are creating the very monster that will become their own worst nightmare.
Does anyone even comprehend how powerfully violent and in control a woman can be ?
What we may lack for in muscle, we more than make up for with viciously cunning and devious and deceptive minds !!
Good Luck to that TPTB plan to make the cattle defenseless and controllable.
NATURE WILL ALWAYS PREVAIL ONE WAY OR ANOTHER



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 01:02 PM
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a reply to: facedye

Fair fights with your peers is not the same as a grown man punching the daylights out of you.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 01:03 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: InTheLight

Why should it change?


Why is learning to control one's anger unacceptable?



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: facedye

Fair fights with your peers is not the same as a grown man punching the daylights out of you.


you sure do know how to dodge direct questions when they don't fit your narrative.

so now violence is magically more OK in the subsection of "fist fighting with your peers"?

come on. this is silly.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 01:05 PM
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originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Advantage

What if they have no parents and were raised through child protective services - who's teeth will you punch out then?


If Im big enough, Ill spank them. Ill tell them WHY I spanked them.. and hope they learn from it. Might even bring theminto my home and life.. never know what I might see in them even under the crap behavior. Then call my atty.

You can make up BS scenarios all day long, but people need to control themselves because 9 times out of ten they cant back up what they do. They have NO reasons for what they do. Theyre impulse driven animals at the core. Totally reactionary. I have visited a parent or 2.. and Ive had a billy bad ass even come to my house.. which didnt end well. I can cash every check my ass writes, but most folks cant. Wont. I dont write many, and am particular in what I do/say. They also talk a LOT.. but never find themselves up to their necks in the trenches with those threats around them. Youre speaking from a point youve never physically been in. You cant even comprehend it... but think youre morally superior. You might be morally superior, but YOU need people like ME.. or you will have no one to defend you and yours. There is enough room in this world for both of our types.. and more. I am what I am.. you are what you are. Changing me isnt happening and I wont fight your morally superior beliefs about yourself, but when you need a person like me.. one day.. youll remember what Ive said.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 01:05 PM
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originally posted by: facedye

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: facedye

Fair fights with your peers is not the same as a grown man punching the daylights out of you.


you sure do know how to dodge direct questions when they don't fit your narrative.

so now violence is magically more OK in the subsection of "fist fighting with your peers"?

come on. this is silly.


I was using your terminology re: fair fights. Kids hitting each other is commonplace because nobody is teaching them how to control their anger and then they end up in college.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: SaloonSal
The ONLY men (sexual aggressive) that really need this course are the very men who would NEVER attend it !

As for the rest of the men, I as a woman, feel that this group of men could use a course on RE-GAINING their masculinity !
As the years progress, it's sad to see more and more men being pushed by society to become like women !!

I've said it before and I'll say it again- "Let men be men and women be women" ..."stop screwing with nature "

Sorry society, but your plan to weaken the strong from fighting back is going to backfire on you!!

By society's attempt at neutering men and in exchange, empowering women, they actually are creating the very monster that will become their own worst nightmare.
Does anyone even comprehend how powerfully violent and in control a woman can be ?
What we may lack for in muscle, we more than make up for with viciously cunning and devious and deceptive minds !!
Good Luck to that TPTB plan to make the cattle defenseless and controllable.
NATURE WILL ALWAYS PREVAIL ONE WAY OR ANOTHER





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