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Putin on those NATO bases he dislikes so much

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posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: TheAlleghenyGentleman
a reply to: markosity1973

Putins regime is horrible though. One has no freedom of speech or freedom of press.

He kills journalists who speak out against him.

That is what a war criminal does.

Do you disagree?

Actually Putin talks directly to his people via their version of 'townhalls.'




posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 10:46 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Jay-morris

Look up the word bias and get back to me.

Fact - Russia, not the west, invaded and currently illegally occupies Ukrainian territory.


Fact - Russia and the West are, and have been, responsible for "illegal occupations."

are you sure you looked up the word bias? you're literally the pot calling the kettle black right now.

I hope you realize that this is why your point of view is receiving such staunch and uniform criticism right about now.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 01:49 PM
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At the end of the day, the west has alot to answer for. You can believe that, or deny it, its up to you.

But that does not change the fact that the west has illegally invaded countries, killing directly or indirectly thousands of people.

Russia is like a pussy cat compared to the west. Because i am from the uk, does not mean i will follow the blind sheep and be manipulated by corrupted and sociopathic leaders who only care about themselves.
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posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: Xcathdra

That's not true, and that will never happen.

My country and my people will never recognize Kosovo as an independent state. It's a holy land to my people, and you should get your facts before laying out false information


Maybe you should educate yourself on the agreements reached between the 2 when they joined the EU.


Source

Due to Serbian claims that Kosovo is part of its sovereign territory, its initial reactions included recalling ambassadors from countries that recognised Kosovo for several months, indicting Kosovar leaders on charges of high treason, and litigating the case at the International Court of Justice (ICJ). Serbia also expelled ambassadors from countries that recognised Kosovo after the UNGA vote adopting Serbia's initiative to seek an ICJ advisory opinion.[11]

In December 2012, as a result of European Union mediated negotiations on Kosovo's status, Serbian Prime Minister Ivica Dačić agreed to appoint a liaison officer to Kosovo.[12] In March 2013, Dačić said that while his government would never recognise Kosovo's independence, "lies were told that Kosovo is ours" and that Serbia needed to define its "real borders".[clarification needed][13]

In April 2013, Kosovo and Serbia reached an agreement to normalise relations, and thereby allow both nations to eventually join the European Union. Under the terms of the agreement, "Belgrade acknowledged that the government in Pristina exercises administrative authority over the territory of Kosovo – and that it is prepared to deal with Pristina as a legitimate governing authority."[14]

On 17 June 2013 Kosovo and Serbia exchanged liaison officers.
[15]


* - Kosovo and Serbia Make a Deal



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: facedye

Except for the fact the west did not invade nor occupy ukraine - Russia did.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 03:12 PM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

and what countries were annexed?



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 03:29 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Jay-morris

and what countries were annexed?


Well, lets start with Iraq. Completly illegal war based on lies. And lets not forget about the fact that governments and oils companies were talking about the oil in iraq and what to do with it even begore 9/11 happened. And look at Iraq now. A complete hell hole overrun by terrorists.

Nice bit of work by the west.

And libya, another illegal war which killed many people and saw thousand flee libya. And now look what is hsppening there.

If that was russia or china , then the west would be condemning them and calling them evil.

If you truely believe thst these two invasions had to be done, and were legal, then seriously, there is really no point replying to you.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Neither Serbia nor the so called country of Kosovo are a part of the EU, thankfully.

By the constitution of republic of Serbia, Kosovo and Metohija is an integral part of Serbia, so, just because there are relations between them, does not mean Serbia recognized Kosovo, and that's something that will never happen.

In your previous post, you mentioned that Ukraine has the right to decide what will happen with Crimea, why don't you give the same decision to Serbia, when that's literally the same thing. Much double standards I see



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

again what countries were annexed.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 04:13 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

You would do well to study the history of the Crimean peninsula. That piece of land has flip flopped under various ownership, even autonomy for aeons. Here is a brief 20th century history


In 1921 the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was created. This republic was dissolved in 1945, and the Crimea became an oblast first of the Russian SSR (1945–1954) and then the Ukrainian SSR (1954–1991).



Crimea was annexed by the Russian Empire in 1783 and this was recognised in 1792 when the peninsula was ceded to Russia by the Ottoman Empire under the Treaty of Jassy. Russian rule in Crimea spanned a period of 171 years, punctuated by short periods during political upheavals and wars, which ended on 19 February 1954 when the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet issued a decree that transferred the Crimean Oblast from the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, within the USSR.[10][11] The reason for the transfer, as stated in the decree, was "the integral character of the economy, the territorial proximity and the close economic and cultural ties between the Crimea Province and the Ukrainian SSR.":


That is right, Crimea was integrated into Ukraine as part of the larger USSR, during a time when it was thought that the USSR would remain forever. Prior to this, Crimea had been part of Russia since 1783.

Furthermore, Crimea was an autonomous republic under Ukranine rule. What is an autonomous republic?


Republics differ from other federal subjects of Russia in that they have the right to establish their own official language and have their own constitution. Other federal subjects, such as krais (territories) and oblasts (provinces), are not explicitly given this right. The chief executives of many republics used to have the title of president, but in 2010 an amendment to the federal law was adopted that reserves such title exclusively for the head of the Russian state.[2] The level of actual autonomy granted to such political units varies but is generally quite extensive. The parliamentary assemblies of such republics have often enacted laws which are at odds with the federal constitution. The republics' executives tend to be very powerful. However, this autonomy was lessened considerably under Russian President Vladimir Putin, who sought to impose the supremacy of the federal constitution.[citation needed]


en.wikipedia.org...

So, it was fairly independent of the rule of Kiev anyways. Kinda of like a State with it's own parliament, but even more power than that.
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posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 04:18 PM
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posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 04:57 PM
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a reply to: markosity1973

and it was and is Ukrainian territory illegally occupied by Russia. Even China doesn't recognize Russia's actions in Ukraine.
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posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 05:54 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: facedye

Except for the fact the west did not invade nor occupy ukraine - Russia did.


holy s*#&t are you serious?

i say: western powers and russian powers have been occupying land over the course of history. both are responsible for the same actions.

you say: ok but the united states didn't invade ukraine.

and what exactly are you trying to say with this point of view? how is that in any way, shape or form a response to my post?

that response has to be one of the most shifty and lazy ones i've ever had the displeasure of having on this forum board.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 06:24 PM
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a reply to: facedye

xcept for the fact the west did not invade nor occupy ukraine - Russia did.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 10:07 PM
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a reply to: markosity1973

Good info



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 11:13 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: facedye

xcept for the fact the west did not invade nor occupy ukraine - Russia did.


OK marco rubio. tell me again how "he knows exactly what he's doing."



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:34 AM
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a reply to: markosity1973

I would suggest that this would not have made it the mainstream if Trump had not won. Secondly, Putin is smart enough to know that that the gabal will stop at nothing for any reason for a postponement of Trumps inauguration and the continuance of the Obama regime etc.

Putin is simply trying to save Russia from WW3 and thereby, the rest of the world also. I suggest that he's very keen for Tumps inauguration to take place and he along the rest of us can all breathe a sigh of relief.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 05:00 AM
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a reply to: facedye

Your the one who made the false statement about the west and Ukraine. If you cant keep up with your own claims then maybe you should not make them eh?

We are discussing Russians illegal invasion / occupation of Ukraine sovereign territory - Crimea and parts of E. Ukraine. You said -


Fact - Russia and the West are, and have been, responsible for "illegal occupations."

are you sure you looked up the word bias? you're literally the pot calling the kettle black right now.

I hope you realize that this is why your point of view is receiving such staunch and uniform criticism right about now.


I stated

Except for the fact the west did not invade nor occupy ukraine - Russia did.


If the west wanted Ukraine it would have invaded instead of Russia invading. If Russia was truly concerned about Ukraine as a whole they would not have just illegally seized / occupied Crimea.

See thats where the Russian lie falls apart.

You up to speed or do you need more of an education to get you there?
edit on 18-1-2017 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 05:05 AM
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originally posted by: TheAlleghenyGentleman
a reply to: frenchfries

I believe it was riding an Indian elephant bareback as he blasted Taylor swift on his iPad.

But I might be mistaken.


I thought it was Katy Perry - firework and it was a bear shirtless?




posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 05:08 AM
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originally posted by: Azureblue
a reply to: markosity1973

I would suggest that this would not have made it the mainstream if Trump had not won. Secondly, Putin is smart enough to know that that the gabal will stop at nothing for any reason for a postponement of Trumps inauguration and the continuance of the Obama regime etc.

Putin is simply trying to save Russia from WW3 and thereby, the rest of the world also. I suggest that he's very keen for Tumps inauguration to take place and he along the rest of us can all breathe a sigh of relief.


True

It's much easier to breathe when you have your own puppet as the president of the US to help you get sanctions removed etc....

But hey we as the US have installed our share for our own benefit, interestingly enough it was much easier to do when those countries were divided and under turmoil

Looks like they took some pointers from our own playbook
edit on 1/18/2017 by ManBehindTheMask because: (no reason given)



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