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Mecca AKA Makkah Religious Faiff

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posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 05:33 AM
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I've been doing my HOMEWORK on the parabol that is the Islamic Muslim faith. And one thing I have stumbled upon in my research is that. They know someone going to reincarnate and the only way they will know if he's a tyrant is to run circles around a cube in the middle of the desert to see what kind of psychological disorder they are dealing with from another individual biological entity.

My question is how in the hell are they going to know that putting it on international tv what if they was reincarnated in Taiwan.




posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 06:32 AM
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a reply to: Teotihuacan
The Muslims themselves don't give that explanation for what they are doing at Mecca.
They don't say that someone is going to be reincarnated, and they don't say anything about that supposed technique.If they are not doing what you think they are doing, that disposes of your question at the end.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 06:36 AM
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a reply to: DISRAELI

You came in here thinking you are going to intellectually take advantage of someone who does not own the Quran.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 06:43 AM
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a reply to: Teotihuacan

You buffoon that is not why they do it what they do! What a load of bollox.

Do some research like many of us have done on ATS, over 8 million folks go there, they circumumbulate the black cube praying to God and they move in an anticlockwise fashion much like a galaxy does around a black hole (I always found that remarkable).

I think you are mixing Hinduism with Islam two totally different concepts. Now in Hinduism (certain traditions) they believe in reincarnation but it depends on what the person has done in their life i.e. if they good people they reincarnate into a good aspect, if they are bad they reincarnate into a lower aspect like an insect or rodent(?).

Genius.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 06:49 AM
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a reply to: old_god

Yeah Christians believe in reincarnation too!




posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 07:40 AM
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a reply to: Teotihuacan

Islam does not teach the concept of reincarnation, but it does propagate the idea that everyone who has ever lived will be resurrected during the End Times to receive their Final Judgement from Allah.

According to extra-Qur'anic eschatology, Islam is awaiting the second coming of Jesus (Isa), the appearance of Imam Mahdi, and the al-Masih ad-Dajjal (False Messiah). These are not reincarnations.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 07:58 AM
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originally posted by: Teotihuacan
You came in here thinking you are going to intellectually take advantage of someone who does not own the Quran.

I don't own a copy of the Koran either.
The best way of preventing people taking intellectual advantage of you is this; to know what you are talking about.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 08:01 AM
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a reply to: DISRAELI

Allah got to die because it is an entity capable of communicating with his believers and those who worship him. Therefore he has to be able to walk and physically prove himself to his children. Which can only mean that the father of all allah would have to reincarnate among mankind.?

Thus with the manifestation of the sun worship of allah at makkah his children can psychologically evaluate him as he walks the earth so that they may know him and be welcomed into his bosom.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: Teotihuacan

I think more HOMEWORK is needed.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 09:05 AM
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a reply to: KEACHI

I own the Quran, Holy Bible, Bhagavad Gita, Torrah, Necronomicon (Ed Simon), Satanic Scripture, Satanic Bible, Kabbalah, Book of Enoch, Bible of the Adversary, 6 and 7 Books of Moses, King Solomons Grimoire, Book of the Law, The Book of Abramelin.

I know a little bit of something. I actually read.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: Teotihuacan

You sound VERY smart.

NOT.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 11:20 AM
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a reply to: KEACHI

Pitiful you understand nothing about what you're reading.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 11:27 AM
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a reply to: Teotihuacan

You must have missed where Allah says in the Qur'an that He created both the Sun and Moon, negating Allah from being a solar or lunar deity.

"Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Do not prostrate to the sun and the moon, but prostrate to Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve." (41:37)

 


Allah is not anthropomorphic, and He clearly states that He is not born nor does He birth children.

"Say, "He is Allah , the One and Only. Allah, the Eternal and Absolute. He begets not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him." (112)



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 02:20 PM
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It looks like we can't very much education or conversation pieces out of some members here. Which makes no sense because if you were interested in looking in here the only thing it could be if it was not that you followed mecca was that you wanted to come in here and say absolutely nothing but a psychological snitch that you wanted to beat someone down rather then educate and pick them up.

Which is what separates the humans from the animals. Which boils down to they don't have the physical capabilities we do.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: Teotihuacan

I am not an islamic, not my religion and I do not like it's supposed prophet or it's supposed poetry but that aside.

I do not think Reincarnation is a tenet of the Islamic faith however there are sect's such as the Sufi that do believe in reincarnation.


Now I will say this, there are people often children whom think they remember a previous life, I have my own theory that it is an older soul using the younger soul as if he was a conduit to communicate with the living, I do not believe the soul is actually a reincarnation as such but that every life has it's own soul, soul's may be able to merge however and young children can have there ego over ruled by the angry or strong ego of another soul that come's into them and then cohabit's there body's, often in later life they forget all this as maybe the older soul has been forced out of the body that does not belong to it or perhaps they have merged with the younger soul and forgotten it all.

This happen's all around the world, in every nation but can seldom be proven or shown.


There is however an interesting case of a young girl in India whom dropped dead, another girl whom was ill woke up claiming to be her and knew her life intimately, so what happened did a soul reincarnate into an already living person or did there soul's meet, exchange information or even merge or swap.
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posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: Sahabi

I do not accept Allah as the lord, I do believe the Lord God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob Israel which is my God and whom I worship is not the same entity but with that out of the way.

When Jacob lay at Bethel (near the ruin's of the city of luz) in his vision God identified himself as the one whom had made the star's of heaven and the sand's of the earth, that he alone whom had made them knew there true number and telling Jacob that he would multiply his offspring until they were greater even than these scattering them as they would often be disobedient but this was all part of his plan so that all the world would one day call Jacob (And of course Abraham) father by blessing all nation's and every family of many by his seed but that he would keep a remnant true to his name and when he had done this lift them up and appoint them rulers and king's over the earth.

Now what does God look like, well Jesus said only those with a pure heart would see him but as I remember description's both now still present and I remember before a possible reality shift or as other's call it a Mandela event he has a face that shine's like the sun so your physical eye's would be blinded just like if you looked at the sun, his eye's are like coal's in a furnace, not embers but blazing white light's, his hair and beard are whiter than snow and so is his robe, around his chest he wears a golden girdle or belt and his hand's and feet are like burnished brass polished to a fine shine reflecting the light of a furnace, oh and he has an aura like a rainbow around his head but with far more colour's, he is the God of the living, before life existed he is and he created life itself and the soul and the physical world and all that is.
He is as much your god as my god and which of us is right and which is wrong does not matter on this point, we all exist only because of him, he is the one that breathed of his own soul into us to give us life, the breath of life but of course he transcend's life by that context.

Jesus is God and I will explain, God is almighty yet Islam claim's he can not be a man, if he is almighty why then can he not become or send a part of himself as perfect man for if he can not then he is not almighty at all, especially if we only exist because if a tiny fragment of his exhaled breath of life, so saying he can not or is not is tantamount to saying that he is incapable of this feat or that there is something impossible for God to do.

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posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 06:34 AM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

The younger they are the more apt the soul is going to override the flesh on intel. So the soul is fresh walking out of the past body.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 07:49 AM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

May Peace be with you! It is great to see your faith so well placed.



"I do not accept Allah as the lord"

"I do believe the Lord God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob Israel which is my God"

"Jesus is God"


The God that I know has been subjectively and relatively interpreted many times over, and is known variously by mankind as every god, deity, and principle of every belief system, while also being far beyond even this.

God: My Gnosis

My God is Allah, but Allah is not my God.

My God is El, but El is not my God.

My God is YHWH, but YHWH is not my God.

My God is Jesus, but Jesus is not my God.

My God is all of the gods, but all of the gods are not my God.

My God is the unintelligible source that all belief and ideological systems reach for.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 11:57 PM
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a reply to: Sahabi

First I have to apologize, my own belief is not something I have any right at all to put onto other's and should respect there belief's with no prejudice, sadly I am human and sometime's make bad judgement's and even voice opinion's that are out of bound's.
Like my heart rate I find that my brain work's differently on different day's as well so from day to day my way of expressing and my opinion may be wrong or at least at odd's with what I would express on another day.

So if I have offended anyone I am truly sorry to have done so, my belief may not be there's but that does not make there belief invalid just something I personally do not share.

You know we are all wrong as well, only God know's his own name, Jesus also has a new name that only his saint's know, those with whom he shares it, the bible also warn's against pointing at anything as God or at any location even the sky, he is and remain's so to all of us a mystery but I believe very real.

Thank you for not getting angry and I do once again appologize for my almost trollish earlier comment.

Though my belief may vary I do not believe being just called a Christian is a ticket to heaven, far from it and I DO believe he will choose whom he want's and not only those inside the sheep fold so to speak, he is in my faith the good shepherd after all, the one whom lay's down his life for the flock and will leave the ninety nine in a safe place to go and bring back the one that is lost and also many whom call themselves christian's myself included fall very far short of the ideal's we strive toward, indeed he pointed out that we all do, the stoning of the woman for example when he stood there after drawing a line in the sand and held a stone himself looking at the crowd which had gathered to stone her to death for adultary, he said to them "Let the one among you that is without fault (sin) cast the first stone" and he stood looking at them, they knew he was from god though not whom he was and so they all knowing there own sin's dropped there stone's one by one and turned and walked away with something to think on and then so he too dropped his stone telling her to go and sin no more her sin's were forgiven, this woman is often linked to Mary Magdelene (Magdelain) but there is no biblical passage to say so and that remain's just a traditional assumption of the orthodox church's (not only the Catholic but all orthodoxy).

As such as I have said elsewhere I know there are better men than me whom are born on the other side of that religious divide and I actually fully believe that my Lord will bring such home.

My real point's of contention with the other faith is it's attitude toward woman, the view of paradise which is very much at odd's with my own belief etc.

In Islam a paradise with sex, virgin's and alcohol is often promised but in Christianity men and woman are the same (at the soul level) and they shall have new angelic body's, man was made to work is a passage often misinterpreted but refer's in part to this, angelic nature is therefore a more grown up adult form and they WORK for god, there are those that will stay in the presence of God the piller's of heaven whose spiritual beauty is pleasing to god but most of them will become just like the angel's of today, guardian's and other task's set before because after all god has made a vast and perhaps infinite universe and there is much work to do, oh there will be drinking and feasting and joy, they are not bound to work and may rest when they shall as they are free but they are in there father's house?.
So the difference's are many.

Also historically the oldest reference to a deity called Allah was a god of Chaos and rebellion.

But that meshes perfectly with God's blessing to Ishmael, Abraham had caste him out with his mother through no fault of there own and after all from a christian perspective does the bible not teach that God is the father of the fatherless.

So if the Arab's are children of Ishmael then there is a place for them as well.
From John 14.2 we learn this.
Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe in Me as well. 2In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am.

But if this is so why does brother have to kill brother and brother oppress his sister.

We are only small thing's in the scheme of the universe and before God, only he know's the fullness thereof and if we try to answer it ourself's almost universally we become confounded so only the lord therefore truly know's.

Thank you for your blessing, may the Lord hold you and your family in the palm of his hand and may the wind be always at your back, God bless and keep you safe.
And once again please forgive me my earlier misguided opinion.

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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 02:42 PM
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a reply to: Teotihuacan

What medication are you on and where do we get some from haha




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