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Trump vows ‘insurance for everybody’ in Obamacare replacement plan

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posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 12:44 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Like you said. Decisions have consequences.
However I would not equate the ACA with North Korean policies. Maybe it's just me but a fine is quite a bit different from prison.


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posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 12:47 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Punishment for not obeying the state is still punishment.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 12:49 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Phage

Punishment for not obeying the state is still punishment.

It's not punishment. It's incentive. The tax is less than the premium, right? But at least you get something for the premium.

You have a choice to drive on either side of the road. Right?

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posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 12:52 AM
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originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Phage

Punishment for not obeying the state is still punishment.

It's not punishment. It's incentive. The tax is less than the premium, right? But at least you get something for the premium.

You have a choice to drive on either side of the road. Right?


The threat of punishment (i.e. The Electric Chair) is indeed an incentive to not commit the crime.. unless you're a terrorist.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 12:54 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Taxes are an incentive.

Fines are an incentive.

Is prison an incentive?

Torture is an incentive. Tell me what you know and I won't break your fingers any more.

You're justifying government sanctioned punishment and coloring as something to 'encourage" people.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 12:56 AM
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Is prison an incentive?

Yeah. Meant to be anyway. Doesn't seem to stop many from committing crimes.

Not having medical insurance is not a crime though.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 12:58 AM
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originally posted by: Phage

Not having medical insurance is not a crime though.



of course it is.

You get punished by the state if you don't have it.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 01:01 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

No, it isn't.

You know that the word crime has a meaning. Right? A traffic infraction is not a crime. Selling illegal drugs is.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 01:07 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: DBCowboy

No, it isn't.

You know that the word crime has a meaning. Right? A traffic infraction is not a crime. Selling illegal drugs is.



The government is using "tax" as a punitive measure.

They are using the IRS as a strong arm of the government.

To deny that is denying the obvious.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 01:10 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Who denied it? The ACA cannot work without it.

Trump's "plan" can't work without the government paying for it. The ACA gives you a choice to not be covered but pay a tax less than the premium. Universal coverage gives you no choice, it just increases government spending and control over medical care.

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posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 01:16 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: DBCowboy

Who denied it? The ACA cannot work without it.


Brilliant! We can agree that ACA cannot function unless punitive measures are placed by the government.


Trump's "plan" can't work without the government paying for it. The ACA gives you a choice to not be covered but pay a tax less than the premium.



We don't know what Trumps plan is. We can speculate, but that's it.


Universal coverage gives you no choice.


Any plan that the government dictates removes choice from the equation. subsequently removing "freedom of choice" from anything we do.

We end up trading freedom for security.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 01:24 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: DBCowboy

No, it isn't.

You know that the word crime has a meaning. Right? A traffic infraction is not a crime. Selling illegal drugs is.



The government is using "tax" as a punitive measure.

They are using the IRS as a strong arm of the government.

To deny that is denying the obvious.


This is now history.. like a bad dream. I know.. it's hard for me to believe that the Individual Mandate (Penalty/Tax) is GONE FOR GOOD too.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 01:32 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
This is now history.. like a bad dream. I know.. it's hard for me to believe that the Individual Mandate (Penalty/Tax) is GONE FOR GOOD too.


It's not. You will still pay.

If the Republicans push their silly and ineffective HSA idea, you will be forced to pay into it.
If single payer is passed, you will be forced to pay higher taxes.
If we expand health insurance, a mandate will remain because it's the only way the preexisting condition clause works.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 01:41 AM
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Brilliant! We can agree that ACA cannot function unless punitive measures are placed by the government.
That's a revelation to you? That the mandate is required for the system to work?


We don't know what Trumps plan is. We can speculate, but that's it.
You don't believe his words?

“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

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posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 01:53 AM
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a reply to: Phage

So you agree that a government mandate carries with it, punitive measures.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 01:55 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Incentives.
Pay a tax and get nothing or pay a higher premium and get covered.

How many times do you want me to repeat myself?



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 01:57 AM
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a reply to: Phage



I guess we're stuck.

What you consider 'incentives' I consider punishment.

C'est la vie.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 02:45 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: DBCowboy

No, it isn't.

You know that the word crime has a meaning. Right? A traffic infraction is not a crime. Selling illegal drugs is.



The government is using "tax" as a punitive measure.

They are using the IRS as a strong arm of the government.

To deny that is denying the obvious.


This is now history.. like a bad dream. I know.. it's hard for me to believe that the Individual Mandate (Penalty/Tax) is GONE FOR GOOD too.


It should be hard for you to believe. Since it's not true.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 02:51 AM
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originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: DBCowboy

No, it isn't.

You know that the word crime has a meaning. Right? A traffic infraction is not a crime. Selling illegal drugs is.



The government is using "tax" as a punitive measure.

They are using the IRS as a strong arm of the government.

To deny that is denying the obvious.


This is now history.. like a bad dream. I know.. it's hard for me to believe that the Individual Mandate (Penalty/Tax) is GONE FOR GOOD too.


It should be hard for you to believe. Since it's not true.


I see You've got some catching up to do Greggers.
Here ya go: www.msn.com... LMF?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 03:02 AM
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It's true, it begins. This sounds suspicious. Why can't they get rid of the mandate and not just expand exemptions?

"Health experts had speculated that Trump could expand exemptions from the so-called individual mandate, which requires Americans to carry insurance or face a penalty, or the requirement that employers offer coverage. "

www.reuters.com...



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