"American fatalities becomes to high to live with"
would take having fatalities as high as ANY other previous war before the whole
general public would freak out. And we are doing real fighting, NOT peacekeeping in 2 seperate countries with this low a deathrate...
"That's why the US will only go to war to defend Israel, if required." HA! and HA! again! This really denies that we were EVER in Vietnam. The
next time I see a fullblooded Vietnamese JEW....I'll tell them to thank you for your observation. The same thing with Korea. Oh hell, every single
war we've been in....don't even point out WWII, we had no clue what was going on in Germany. We were fighting Japan after Pearl Harbour and
Hitler the Stupid
declared war on us. As for the 6 day war, and what the nation of Israel IS....Britain took Palestine from the Jews and
Arabs as early as the crusades, if you want to be technical. Britain gave the land, some huge funding and sent them off to secure what they could.
What most people fail to realize, ON TOP OF THAT, most arab nations had RUSSIAN funding that we could trace...and we were in a cold war with them the
whole time we backed up Israel. We, for our own sakes could afford to do no less. Not much choice there. Don't tell me we couldnt ignore that area,
either, lol...go read up on the history of the Cuban Missile Crisis, INCLUDING what all lead up to it. You don't take care of hings BEFORE they
become a mess, well then a mess is what you deserve. *shakes head* As it is, we are about 10 years too late with Iran.
"the winner was a russian aircraft (sukoi su-47?), and second place was the last incarnation of the MiG (29?). " Alot of us forget what happend
during the Persian Gulf War. At the time, SoDamned Insane"
had what was arguably the 3rd best army in the world and Russian
armoury. This was right after the big Russian/American arms race during the Regan administration. We went in there expecting to face superior
technology....and then totally creamed them. Russia collapsed not long afterwards. They couldn't keep up. I'm suprised there isn't as conspiracy
thread on THAT,
.... In the end a Simulation meanst just that. A simulation.
What scares me is when Iran (or any other country, for that matter) sets off thier nuke missiles 1. if these nuts misswired ANYTHING, other countries
better fear which way it goes. 2. We already have contingency plans on how to knock those out the air....and God help those who are in between them
and us, yet again. why does everyone forget that we are the only country to successfully use nuclear weapons of any sort? ...except when people want
to paint us in the likes of monsters...this is a disturbing trend. Yeah, just keep smacking the bully around and expect him to take it, lol....
"However I wonder how the U.S would react when the Iranian's launch fast air operations against less anti-air protected U.S ground bases in
Iraq in retaliation? Would Iran not be well within their rights to defend itself in such a way?"
That is their only option, really. But
there are other problems with this. They may be putting Arab against Arab if they do that, so they have to be careful.....of course, it won't matter
much with all of Iran surrounding Kuait
But seriously, most military would be aware of that happening. Even if Bush is thought to be an idiot,
he is still an idiot who knows how to pick smarter people than himself for their jobs....
"I believe we learned from Vietnam, in that we can't simply 'drop' soldiers in to combat zones to take out our enemies. That's suicide. How
else are we to fight (and win) a war that's oceans away?"
lol...multiple mean points here.
1. Democrats were the leaders of this country during the Vietnam War, not Republicans.
Not too serious on that...but this is the serious
reason why my dad would never elect a Democrat into a major office....because they screwed up one war already (his words).
2. We would have won in Vietnam, if our media had not reported a particular skirmish as a severe loss for us when we creamed them, AND had the N.
Vietnamese on the way to the negotiation tables....until they heard our media whine. There is much more wrong with the vietnam War than just bad
miliary practices. This was a psychological mess. This was in a jungle. If we dropped the whole US army in the Congo, we'd have some similar
problems. Another problem is that you don't have people reacting like they did in WWII: "Loose lips sink ships" Now we are at the point where we
have to ignore the media. We can't trust them, look what they did last time.
A lot of people remember the stupidity that went on and what it
cost us. Just because we believe a war is wrong doesn't mean that we need to harm our troops with our whining.
*sigh* I'm glad to see that Afganistan was now invaded like Iraq was. We didn't go over there to remove the ruler of a country, people. Afghan's
ruler's are still in control of their country and are helping the US. Iraq has much more unrest; we took away the control of that country.
"And if a country is a threat maybe if might be wise to ask yourself why they are threat instead of bombing the innocent in the name of National
We have taken percautions. We didn't turn this into Hiroshima; we easily could have. If the war was on our soil, we'd die too,
whether or not we were tree hugging hippies
or not. That is the nature of war.
"So, again, I'd like to ask members on this board... How do you propose these prisoners be treated? How do you propose we get information from
It's a good thing I'm not there. I'd have the whole group watch one of the beheadings, with our military interspersed. Then I'd
tell them that we need a death in retaliation....havign my guys tell someone they are next to "you're next"....then I'd start bringing them out
in front of firing squads, setting up for execution.....not saying anything to them, lettign them babble. Or maybe I'd do the hangman thing, but
put a noose that's not tied to the wood when I pull the plank out from under them. Someone's bound to crack...espeially if we describe Russian
"A pre-emptive attack on the worlds only Super power what a brilliant tactic. I wonder why many countries havent given that a go yet."
Because most countries don't wanna face the wrath of Bush...(lol, wrath of Kahn)....and because a Superpower is like a nest of
Hornets....more sting per bee/wasp. And most importantly, most countries don't have you in control. *innocent look* I wonder why that is? jp.
"I am really curious to see what China and Russia will do when the war starts."
Russia will do nothing. They did nothing during
the cold war, nothing during the Gulf War. They will do nothing now. China? China hasn't done jack yet, why start now? They know they are too big
for us to do anything BUT nuke. Seriously, the US is too big to do anthing but nuke. Look, 9/11 pissed us off, as a nation. It crippled our
emotions, sure, but the nation??? And didn't Russia support us, verbally, through much of this?
"....many here disavow war and yet look forward to a US versus Iran scenerio? How strange..."
Not really. No more strange than two
peaceful people fighting over the same girl. It's in human nature, no matter how much we detest it, to see who has the bigger Cahonas...always was.
Just be glad it's our men who mostly fight. Women are too vindictive, lol... I would use "when" because this posturing between the 2 countries
has gone on forever and a day. It isn't a matter of if, but when, and has been so for nearly 20 years. I don't see either the US or Iran changing
to stop this.
".....maybe the biggest threat to the world is America? What can we all do about this?"
An even more scary thought, maybe the US is
the only thing that stands in the way of a global nation? that's scary enough right there?
So what is America going to do about the world???