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Trump - Russian tit-for-tat at heart of dramatic GOP shift on Ukraine Policy

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posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 04:15 PM
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It definitely seems like all of the pieces of the puzzle are falling into place, a recent article suggest that a Russian-Trump tit-for-tat was at the heart of the dramatic GOP policy shift on Ukraine.

As we all remember the GOP platform was virtually unchanged during the Convention, except for one thing.

Ukraine.



A summary of his findings, collected from the network of Russian intelligence sources he had cultivated, was presented to Trump, President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, and the country's top lawmakers on intelligence matters earlier this month as part of a classified briefing about Russia's intervention in the US presidential election.

The dossier's claim about a Ukraine-WikiLeaks tit-for-tat alleges that Trump would refrain from speaking forcefully, if at all, about Russia's incursion into eastern Ukraine in 2014. In return, Russia would provide WikiLeaks the documents it stole from the Democratic National Committee (DNC).


Business Insider

So the dossier claimed that Russia would provide Wikileaks with the hacked documents from the DNC, if Trump refrained from speaking "forcefully" about Russia's invasion of Eastern Ukraine.

Now let's take a closer look at the GOP policy towards Ukraine before and after the GOP Convention.



It started when platform committee member Diana Denman tried to insert language calling for the U.S. to provide lethal defensive weapons to the Ukrainian government, which is fighting a separatist insurrection backed by Russia. Denman says she had no idea she was "going into a fire fight," calling it "an interesting exchange, to say the least."

Denman is a long time GOP activist from Texas. When she presented her proposal during a platform subcommittee meeting last month, "two gentleman," whom Denman said were part of the Trump campaign, came over, looked at the language, and asked that it be set aside for further review.

The Trump campaign convinced the platform committee to change Denman's proposal. It went from calling on the U.S. to provide Ukraine "lethal defensive weapons" to the more benign phrase "appropriate assistance."


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So we have the leaked dossier claiming a Russian-Trump tit-for-tat if the Trump administration managed to change the GOP's platform towards Ukraine, seems as if they were successful with that.

The Russians were to provide wikileaks with hacked DNC documents for them to leak, if the Trump campaign managed to successfully change the GOP's platform.

Now let's take a look what Wikileaks released shortly after the GOP convention.

The GOP convention was held from July 19-21

This was released by wikileaks on July 22


Starting on Friday 22 July 2016 at 10:30am EDT, WikiLeaks released over 2 publications 44,053 emails and 17,761 attachments from the top of the US Democratic National Committee -- part one of our new Hillary Leaks series. The leaks come from the accounts of seven key figures in the DNC: Communications Director Luis Miranda (10520 emails), National Finance Director Jordon Kaplan (3799 emails), Finance Chief of Staff Scott Comer (3095 emails), Finanace Director of Data & Strategic Initiatives Daniel Parrish (1742 emails), Finance Director Allen Zachary (1611 emails), Senior Advisor Andrew Wright (938 emails) and Northern California Finance Director Robert (Erik) Stowe (751 emails). The emails cover the period from January last year until 25 May this year.


Wikileaks

No puppet, No puppet!




posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 04:17 PM
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Your 8th anti-Trump thread but of course your fair.No s/f for you



posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 04:19 PM
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unverified dossier


Another dodgy dossier?

Maybe people should verify these things?



posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: Rosinitiate



unverified dossier


Another dodgy dossier?

Maybe people should verify these things?


looks like its verifying it's self already



posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 04:21 PM
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originally posted by: TDawg61
Your 8th anti-Trump thread but of course your fair.No s/f for you


Only special snowflakes cry about things being unfair!

Go back to your safe space



posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 04:21 PM
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The moment I see unverified, anonymous source, I know the article is BS and that the information it contains is nothing more than a wishful thinking of a certain someone or group



posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: Nikola014
The moment I see unverified, anonymous source, I know the article is BS and that the information it contains is nothing more than a wishful thinking of a certain someone or group


Holy Mary Mother of God! I almost choked on my sandwich when I saw that!



posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: muse7

unverified document that alleges...

So just more anti-trump porn from another butt-hurt snowflake.

I got a smile from your attempt and off to a thread I can actually flag.




posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 04:32 PM
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Love it.


An unverified dossier provided to





posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 04:33 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Love it.


An unverified dossier provided to






You must really do..

How many threads have you started with claims from "Whistle blowers"


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posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 04:56 PM
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unverified, anonymous eh?
so, basically it could have been written yesterday and could just be a conspiracy theory to explain why Trump doesn`t want to start a war with Russia.since we don`t know who wrote it and it can`t be verified then there`s no way to know when it was written either.
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posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 05:22 PM
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a reply to: muse7

The left and the Democrats have shown almost no interest in Putin invading Ukraine until suddenly now.



posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 07:16 PM
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originally posted by: muse7
The GOP convention was held from July 19-21

This was released by wikileaks on July 22


Starting on Friday 22 July 2016 at 10:30am EDT, WikiLeaks released over 2 publications 44,053 emails and 17,761 attachments from the top of the US Democratic National Committee -- part one of our new Hillary Leaks series. The leaks come from the accounts of seven key figures in the DNC: Communications Director Luis Miranda (10520 emails), National Finance Director Jordon Kaplan (3799 emails), Finance Chief of Staff Scott Comer (3095 emails), Finanace Director of Data & Strategic Initiatives Daniel Parrish (1742 emails), Finance Director Allen Zachary (1611 emails), Senior Advisor Andrew Wright (938 emails) and Northern California Finance Director Robert (Erik) Stowe (751 emails). The emails cover the period from January last year until 25 May this year.


Wikileaks

No puppet, No puppet!


You just verified that the article is a Hoax. Wikileaks always verifies their data before publication. So your source if fake since the dates you provided do not give any time for that. Try again.



posted on Jan, 15 2017 @ 09:55 PM
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One day between the platform and leaks. So I guess that makes Assange a Russian Agent, right? How else could such precision be orchestrated? Did you even bother to establish your own timeline?

A simple search brought quite a few hits showing Trump's platform on Ukraine has remained consistent since at least August 2015. Perhaps earlier but after finding two published news stories from August 2015 I didn't dig any earlier than August 2015.

UKRAINE TODAY--August 2015: Trump says Germany should deal with Russian invasion of Ukraine


On Ukraine specifically, Trump said the following: "Ukraine is a problem, but at some point, don't you think that the countries of Europe should be a little bit more involved than they are? We're leading all these fights, and Ukraine is a big problem. Germany is a very rich, powerful country. Germany, economically tremendous power, tremendous, unbelievable, unleashed economic power. Why isn't Germany — do we have to lead every fight? So, Ukraine is a problem, and we should help them, but let Germany and other countries over there that are directly affected — let them work it. We've got enough problems in this country. We have to rebuild our country."


THE HILL: Trump is right on Crimea By Bernie Quigley 08/05/15 12:30 PM EDT


The mainstream media fell silent last Friday when Donald Trump made comments on Crimea. His answer to a reporter's question sent shockwaves through the 70-year-old bipartisan military industrial complex. "Europe's problem," he said.


a reply to: muse7


Denman is a long time GOP activist from Texas. When she presented her proposal during a platform subcommittee meeting last month, "two gentleman," whom Denman said were part of the Trump campaign, came over, looked at the language, and asked that it be set aside for further review.

The Trump campaign convinced the platform committee to change Denman's proposal. It went from calling on the U.S. to provide Ukraine "lethal defensive weapons" to the more benign phrase "appropriate assistance."



This was a working committee, and the work session was held during the convention. Are you citing HER proposal which was out of line with Trump's position publicly touted since at least August 2015? Does it stand to reason that the platform would make a reasonable effort to sync with the position of the party's nominee?

Remembering that the "dossier" was first "commissioned" by Republicans, then Democrats, this was my favorite phrase from tonight's research:

70-year-old bipartisan military industrial complex


The purpose of the dossier is crystal clear.



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