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originally posted by: megabogie
a reply to: Paddyofurniture
As he stated above, all sources are referenced and footnoted and Levenda's and delonge's opinions are excluded from the narrative. Peter Levenda is a primary source author, which means the majority of the content will be directly from the horses mouth and not crap he dug up on the internet or stole from someone else. Levenda was detained at colonia dignidad and expelled from Chile while researching one of his books on the Nazis. He is not an armchair author or half wit hack.
originally posted by: Paddyofurniture
Mr. Delonge has on occasion stated he has been meeting with high level government officials and has even referred to persons he calls " the general" and ( I think?) " the scientist". On these occasions he has insinuated he has gleaned information that has not been made public and also insulated that is or has been of a classified matter.
What exactly are you selling us Mr. Levenda? A book(s) that is unproven public theories strung together to make an argument of your and Mr. Delonge phenomenon general theory or do you have any hard evidence that will turn the head of as you stated " different walks of life, different cultural and academic areas" to take this phenomenon seriously. For the sake of the this phenomenon, I hope it's the latter.
a reply to: levenda
originally posted by: Paddyofurniture
a reply to: levenda
Thank you for your thoughtful response Mr. Levenda.
I have to admit some of my responses to this topic have been vitriolic. Most have centered around Your counterpart Mr. DeLonge. The ask me anything (AMA) here at ATS by Mr. Delonge as well as some of his social media statements about UAP history and photos he deemed as "real" have been troubling to say the least. Should we take his statements with a grain of salt?
Also , can you give us any insight, as reserved as it may be, as to why any of your and Mr. DeLonge's advisors would come forward. Why now? Why to yourself and Mr. Delonge?
Again I appreciate any response.
..... Trumpy threads are everywhere, to anyone newish here like me, this is a political conspiracy website!! more than anything, Here we have legit, pioneer of paranormal phenomenon on this thread and the thread has 17 flags, Political threads are getting 10x this, and its the same arguments with the same people, conditioned to their side and everyone thinks they are right..... thats just my cynical take on things, could Mr Levenda do an AMA?
originally posted by: levenda
This is the thing: we feel we need to extend the audience for this subject beyond that of the believers, experiencers, etc. Naturally, we hope and intend that what we have to say will be of interest and importance to the core UFO community as well. No question. But the mission, if you can call it that, has been to create a larger and deeper acceptance of the reality of the Phenomenon in different walks of life, in different cultural and academic areas. We also feel strongly that an American population that is enthused about the subject will be inspired to tackle it from different perspectives, especially from the scientific and academic areas but also from the cultural fields, the humanities, etc. We are very ambitious, I know. We want to create general enthusiasm for this subject and take it out of the realm of the specialist. We need to make Ufology a credible and acceptable area of research and study. And that means enlisting a lot of different people from different areas.
"A large part of the available UFO literature is closely linked with mysticism and the metaphysical. It deals with subjects like mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities as well as phenomena like poltergeist [ghost] manifestations and 'possession.' Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press recount alleged incidents that are strikingly similar to demonic possession and psychic phenomena...."
~Lynn E. Catoe (the senior bibliographer for a government publication researched by the Library of Congress for the U.S. Air Force Office of Scientific Research: UFOs and Related Subjects
"We are dealing with a yet unrecognized level of consciousness, independent of man but closely linked to the earth.... I do not believe anymore that UFOs are simply the spacecraft of some race of extraterrestrial visitors. This notion is too simplistic to explain their appearance, the frequency of their manifestations through recorded history, and the structure of the information exchanged with them during contact."
"[An] impressive parallel [can] be made between UFO occupants and the popular conceptions of demons." "[UFOs can] project images or fabricated scenes designed to change our belief systems." 62 "...human belief... is being controlled and conditioned," "man's concepts are being rearranged," and we may be headed toward "a massive change of human attitudes toward paranormal abilities and extraterrestrial life."
"The 'medical examination' to which abductees are said to be subjected, often accompanied by sadistic sexual manipulation, is reminiscent of the medieval tales of encounters with demons. It makes no sense in a sophisticated or technical or biological framework: any intelligent being equipped with the scientific marvels that UFOs possess would be in a position to achieve any of these alleged scientific objectives in a shorter time and with fewer risks."
"...the symbolic display seen by the abductees is identical to the type of initiations ritual or astral voyage that is imbedded in the [occult] traditions of every culture." Thus, "the structure of abduction stories is identical to that of occult initiation rituals."
~ Dr. Jacques Vallee