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Trump - Russian connections....FAR DEEPER than anyone ever imagined

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posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: UKTruth

"We may never know the truth." --Motto of the Kremlin Troll Army.


False association to an obvious statement.
You are clearly not doing well in supporting your ludicrous claims.
Whether we will know the truth or not does not remove the requirement for you to prove allegations. It does not justify your innuendo and propaganda - or fake news.
If you can't prove your case, you lose. Period.
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posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 01:17 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: UKTruth

"We may never know the truth." --Motto of the Kremlin Troll Army.

a reply to: DJW001

"May they never know the truth." --Motto of the Hillary Troll Army.
edit on 16-1-2017 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 01:17 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss


That would be a LIE. Fake news would be if the News knew it was a LIE but then went and repeatedly reported it as truth evermore.


But the media are reporting the dossier as being unverified, meaning not necessarily true. Would you rather the story be censored?



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 01:18 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: UKTruth

"We may never know the truth." --Motto of the Kremlin Troll Army.


False association to an obvious statement.
You are clearly not doing well in supporting your ludicrous claims.
Whether we will know the truth or not does not remove the requirement for you to prove allegations. It does not justify your innuendo and propaganda - or fake news.


Why don't you and Ignorance just hang out here and star each other's posts? I'm through trying to use reason in a madhouse.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 01:19 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

They reported it as having unverified claims, while at the same time reported there were claims that were verified as false.

MEANING: the document was a piece of trash and they still ran headlines off it.

And it went downhill from there once Trump took a look at it.

And that was days ago.

And you're still in here pressing on like its "NEWS".





posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss


That would be a LIE. Fake news would be if the News knew it was a LIE but then went and repeatedly reported it as truth evermore.


But the media are reporting the dossier as being unverified, meaning not necessarily true. Would you rather the story be censored?


It's up to the editorial team of a news outlet to decide whether they want to publish fake news based on their own standards, but regardless, if they decide to publish fake news, then it's fake news.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 01:24 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: UKTruth

"We may never know the truth." --Motto of the Kremlin Troll Army.


False association to an obvious statement.
You are clearly not doing well in supporting your ludicrous claims.
Whether we will know the truth or not does not remove the requirement for you to prove allegations. It does not justify your innuendo and propaganda - or fake news.


Why don't you and Ignorance just hang out here and star each other's posts? I'm through trying to use reason in a madhouse.


When you begin to use reason then we might be able to have a decent debate.
Fear mongering with innuendo, defending fake news, asking people to prove something is fake, and pretending that blackmail only requires an accusation, and not an act, is hardly a reasonable position to take.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss


That would be a LIE. Fake news would be if the News knew it was a LIE but then went and repeatedly reported it as truth evermore.


But the media are reporting the dossier as being unverified, meaning not necessarily true. Would you rather the story be censored?


this response has to be one of the most frustrating defenses of the mainstream media I've ever seen.

is the media reporting on it with the air and tone of "this is what is being reported, however none of it may be true at all. and if it isn't, then someone has some serious explaining to do"?

or are they reporting on this with an air and tone of "these are unverified reports coming from really credible sources who people trust. this stuff is pretty damning if true"?

do you not see the difference there, or are you purposely being difficult just to play devil's advocate? how do you not see how convenient that is?



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 01:32 PM
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Again, if the CIA or FBI or any other alphabet agency had legitimate evidence to suggest collusion between the Kremlin & the Trump campaign, why didn't they release it during the primary season? Why not release it when Trump was named the nominee?
a reply to: ColdWisdom

We could say the same thing about the CIA making claims about Clinton's and Wiener's lap top two weeks before the election. Conservatives are so quick to point the finger, but ignore the same kind of dirty politics the liberals play.

Instead of claiming it's a hoax why don't we do the intelligent thing and wait to see if anything pans out. You Trump supporters are too quick to defend Trump when you yourselves don't have any evidence to the fact and continue to use innuendos to just explain things away. I think the Op has laid out more evidence to the fact than you are!

If this has no basis, it will show itself as being a hoax or dirty politics. If there's real evidence to the fact, the truth has a way of floating to the top.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 01:35 PM
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originally posted by: WeRpeons

Instead of claiming it's a hoax why don't we do the intelligent thing and wait to see if anything pans out.


Exactly how many of its items must proven FALSE before you'll admit that the thing is FAKE?



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 02:05 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

You have to prove it's false with clear and undeniable EVIDENCE to the fact! The same clear and undeniable EVIDENCE has to be presented to prove it's true! Just saying it's false and not laying out evidence to counter every point the Op has laid out, doesn't give much credibility of the possibility of it being false. Any accusations calling something a hoax or it being a lie, needs to have just as much evidence to prove it's false! How do you defend something when you really don't know yourself if it's true?

I would rather wait and see how the chips fall, before denying it or believing it. We have seen video proof of Trump's lies and back tracking on the issues. Yet some will still deny this "in your face" strong evidence. I think Trump would have more credibility if he hadn't been caught lying so much on his campaign videos.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: WeRpeons

The Burden of Proof is on the document and those wielding it!

But once its out there, when there are ZERO of its claim shown true (after over 3 MONTHS of intel and media groups having it), and yet items that are shown to be false it goes further down the toilet each new little item of debunked. In such a scenario as this, with NONE verified true then upon the very first one to be proven false the then things enters a standing of being FAKE... until or rather possibly until one is proven true.

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posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 02:39 PM
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Welcome to our office in forest . beautiful Russian
forest. give me the binoculars, I do not see Trump
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posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 03:07 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: WeRpeons

Instead of claiming it's a hoax why don't we do the intelligent thing and wait to see if anything pans out.


Exactly how many of its items must proven FALSE before you'll admit that the thing is FAKE?


I am not sure the Cohen meeting has been proven false?

The Dossier was non-specific in timing..Mentioned August as a possible date, but also mentioned September..

Cohen now admits he was in in the EU in July, contrary to initial denials of being in the EU this summer..Italy specifically, which is a few hour flight to Prague.

Has not answered whether he has dual passports or dual citizenship in Israel (easily tens of thousands of Americans carry dual passports).

And for that matter hasn't shown his passport to anyone other than allegedly Trump's team. And even then...Does he have dual passports? One for Israel? And Trump seems to have not been truthful in his press conference, by Cohen's now admitting he was in Italy this summer..


He brings his passport to my office. I say, wait a minute, he didn't leave the country. He wasn't out of the country.


Will be interested to see where this leads.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 03:12 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: WeRpeons

The Burden of Proof is on the document and those wielding it!

But once its out there, when there are ZERO of its claim shown true (after over 3 MONTHS of intel and media groups having it),


There are MULTIPLE dossiers that have been assembled by various western intelligence organizations.

And you don't know what has been confirmed by the Intelligence Community and what hasn't.

But be patient...



The Senate Intelligence Committee launched a bipartisan investigation Friday evening into the unverified dossier on President-elect Donald Trump's alleged collusion with Russia and will use "subpoenas if necessary" to get testimony from the Trump team and relevant members of the Obama administration.

theweek.com...



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

So if Cohen ever went to anywhere in Europe the entire year then that means the "dossier" holds water?

Please, if this was all about Obama, how would you be responding to all this this malarchy?



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

Your source:

On Wednesday night, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said he had assured President-elect Donald Trump that he was dismayed by the release of the "private security document" alleging Russian ties with and dirt on Trump. Clapper also told Trump he does "not believe the leaks came from within" the U.S. intelligence community. On CNN on Wednesday, former acting CIA Director Michael Morell said that's likely true, noting that the dossier released by BuzzFeed was raw intelligence from a former British spy and not the two-page summary presented to Trump last Friday (also, U.S. intelligence agents would likely have been more careful redacting sensitive information).


What's a former British spy doing with the info? How is he in a position to know anything? What's he working with active foreign spies to get such Russian info?

How in your mind does anything to do with any of this add up?



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: muse7

As I read this insanity all I could think was: It has to be painful, doesn't it?



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
I think we need socialized medicine instead of this overpriced system we now have.


The Medical racket that we call a healthcare system needs to be overhauled. Obamacare tried to deal with the insurance end of the racket. Thats like saying "Here let me put this band aid on to cure your cancer."



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: muse7

Well, if NATO has vouched for him, then he must be honest. LOLZ!!!




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