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Can someone please inform me why Trump being friends with Putin would be a bad thing?

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posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 02:01 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Pyle

Leaning?
Nah. The tower of Pisa is leaning.
This is a case of falling over.


I am trying to hold it up, like many others, but it's starting to hurt. The thing is really heavy.




posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 02:02 AM
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a reply to: reldra




posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 02:03 AM
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a reply to: reldra

Again people make mistakes while doing to many things at once

Some of us have families and day jobs I do apologise

So what's your excuse for continuous derails and trolling ?



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posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 02:03 AM
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The Russia love here gets pretty creepy at times. Weird. As if they dont have the internet and cant find information regarding who and what Putin really is by his own actions. Sure, he has done some good things, but we are yet to be allies. I think its possible now with Trump, however. I have been "friends" with people who I diametrically oppose for reasons that were more important than starting a war. We SHOULD be on good terms with Russia... and CAN be.

As far as Russia taking back certain pieces of land.. so what? Id prefer it if Bush and Clinton and Obama would have said.. yep. We're invading such-and-such country ( Iraq) and taking it. Im okay with empire. Its who we are as a species. Id prefer honesty rather than making up BS reasons and killing a lot of Americans 'cause they cant be honest. I mean, if Trump said.. okay, we are invading Mexico and taking this certain area and making it a part of the US.. Id be okay with it. I like Avocados... a LOT.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 02:03 AM
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originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
Lol

Is this Reldra guy a Troll here on ATS?

He sure is disruptive when the majority seem to always disagree with him

He has the same attitude as CNN when things don't go there way


It seems that ATS has an unhealthy right leaning these past couple years so people like Reldra who are going against the narrative of the right-wing would look like a troll.


Well maybe if things were not so bad, not just at home, but on a global a scale due to these people and countries

There wouldn't be a need to think differently, and course of action. Would there ?

That's common sense


"These people and countries"....sigh. I dare not ask.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 02:04 AM
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a reply to: Phage

I love that song, TY Phage




posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 02:06 AM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

It's a bad thing because the TVs have said so for the last 50 years and what the TVs say.......is true, because government awards broadcast licenses to media outlets and government won't issue such licenses to those outlets who push propaganda on behalf of the government.

LOL, just joking - the opposite of that statement is the truth, outlets that spread fake news are government endorsed and real news outlets are sanctioned and banned and have their accounts closed because they call out government shenanigans.

Political dinosaurs want to keep hating on Russia, so too do those weak minded individuals who believe what CNN and the TVs tell them without question.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 02:08 AM
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Russia (Putin) has invited the Trump Administration to attend Syrian Peace Talks later this month. Should the U.S. attend?

""Russia has invited the incoming Trump administration to Syrian peace talks it is sponsoring later this month with Turkey and Iran, part of a process from which the Obama administration pointedly has been excluded.

U.S. participation, especially if an agreement is reached, would be the first indication of the enhanced U.S.-Russia cooperation that President Vladi­mir Putin and President-elect Donald Trump have forecast under a Trump administration.""

Source: www.washingtonpost.com... 43d6-d9b9-11e6-9f9f-5cdb4b7f8dd7_story.html?utm_term=.2096fcdb643d



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 02:09 AM
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LOL, they took a country and got away with it. Just walked in and took it. You don't find that aggressive?


It is easy to see why Russia annexed Crimea. It is an area in their near abroad and vital to national security. The US would have done much worse. Not to mention that it is none of the USA,s business. The US is like a house full of killers pointing the finger at the house down the Road.
What I find aggressive is the US's murderous campaign in the Middle East. What I find aggressive is the USA's foreign policy of constant warmongering. Hey they can build that wall...only make it right round the US...easy peasy just pile up all the bodies. Not forgetting to put a Haliburton castle (sorry American base) at strategic points.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 02:10 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

Talking is a good thing. Especially if it leads to not bombing civilians.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 02:21 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: carewemust

Talking is a good thing. Especially if it leads to not bombing civilians.



Exactly

I think it's time to talk, but some people I guess are stubborn or just too blind to see were on the wrong tracks

People don't actually realise how bad things are and this time, everywhere
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posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 02:23 AM
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a reply to: TritonTaranis

If Trump could get Putin to stop bombing civilians in Syria that would be awesome.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 02:31 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TritonTaranis

If Trump could get Putin to stop bombing civilians in Syria that would be awesome.


And Putin in turn could get Trump to stop the US supplying the terrorists with armaments. Hey, that would be awesome.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 02:34 AM
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a reply to: midicon
Yeah.
Right.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 02:34 AM
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I'm sure that none of those 20some odd thousand bombs Obama gave the ok to send this year didn't fall on a civilian. It's kind of hard to tell Putin to stop doing something that we do as well.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 02:35 AM
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a reply to: Arizonaguy

Yes.
Dropping bombs on civilians is not a good thing.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 03:43 AM
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I do not know the inside workings of politics and the jargon used to describe differences between and relationships between the US and Russia.

I do have a few friends from Russia and the Ukraine, and I had friends from both growing up. I also have done some minor research over the years on Russia, e.g., Putin was KGB.

So, based on what I have learned from the above, I would say that the US president and Putin, or any president going forward, getting along would not be such a bad thing. But, to get along assumes many things. One would first have to define what "to get along" even means.

For example, I could get along with you to make a business deal, shake hands, we both smile, sign the paper work, and then I could come out to the parking lot and curse you a bad name because you blocked me in. Does the latter mean we don't get along?

It's normal for people to have disagreements, but it seems like today that our government has secretly been trying to convert us to either a socialist or communist government/social structure. We see this in all these kids who cry, scream, and yell when someone disagrees with them. We also see it when those same kids try and make universities punish free speech. We see this in this nonsense called "Fake news."

Fake news: Charles Dickens is still alive and thriving.
Fake or not fake? .... Not fake. See, Charles Dickens and his stories are alive and thriving in my imagination.
Fake news: Obama and Putin don't like each other.
Fake or not fake? Well, in my opinion, they tend to disagree a lot. But, in order to know the answer, someone would have to ask each of them their own opinion of the other. I have not seen that, so I don't know the answer.

In any case, one must define certain ideas before making a conclusion about something. Someone once told me, keep your friends close, and keep your enemies closer.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 05:05 AM
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originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: underwerks

I've never understood the argument on Trumps taxes, either.

The IRS audits him all the time, right?

If he uses legal or grey-area loopholes of all kinds, and in turn pays no taxes... Is the law flawed, or is the law flawed?

You can bet your ass I'd pay zero in taxes the rest of my life if I could find a legal way to do it ( While making plenty of income)
I don't like the way the Government uses money. I don't care if they didn't get millions from trump to send more troops to a war that's destabilizing countries and creating more chaos... ( Same goes for Hillary, I don't care about her taxes. )

Transparency is a whole other thing, with our media.. Such things just can't be out in the open. They've led us to believe that Russia is another North Korea but with actual nuking ability, and paints them as an extremely evil enemy. To admit friendship with such a country.. He would not have won the election, and could still even face trouble. No, a long-term unveiling would be much better for everyone.

Does the IRS audit him all the time? I mean, is there actually any proof of that outside of him saying it? I'm listening if you can find it.

And didn't Trump say he had met Putin and were friends when asked about it earlier last year? Or was that just another "mic malfunction"?

Seeing Trumps taxes isn't about how much he pays, it's about why he pays what he does.


Well, the IRS is auditing his taxes as we speak, so as he has said quite a few times, he can't release them until that's over. And if he's getting a couple million a month from Putin for a cuddle fee, I think the IRS would see it. Aren't they a government entity and aren't they kind of friendly to the Obama admin? (used as his weapon against conservative groups)



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 05:19 AM
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originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Tempter

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Tempter

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Tempter
We're already "friends" with some of the worst middle eastern countries and factions in existence. Russia would be a step up on the friend ladder.


We are allies with some middle eastern countries because we have treaties and agreements with them. Russia would not be a 'step up' if you are saying human rights and democratic values must match who we are allies with.

We are allies with countries who will protect our interests in their region. That is the purpose.


Hold on. So NOW, within a foreign policy view, you want to get tough? In foreign policy-land it's all business and practical terms, but at home it's about feelings?


When have you quizzed me about foreign and domestic policy and what were my answers? And , BTW, who are you?


NO one special, I'll tell you that.

But one thing I understand is there are times when I'm sure you've referred to the government as an extension of the people. Because that is what it is, us, represented.

I like the idea of making friends with the Russian people, and it's important for our governments to get along in order for us to do so.

I think anyone special could figure that out.


Eventually, yes. I would love that. But it is more complicated than wanting it to happen. Russia has been making some aggressive moves. Putin wants to expand Russia back towards Soviet Union days. Their military intentionally messes with ours. It is the leader, not the people that cause diplomatic problems.

Trump should not be so warm towards them. They are not an ally and they do provoke us.

Maybe in the future, sure.

I may think the government is an extension of the people, I like that description. But I have never said that. You confuse me with someone else.


What if.....instead of moving troops to the front of the Crimea border, a hone call was made? What if, instead of rough talk about building up more nukes, a phone call was made, or a sit down was had?

What if, we opened up a line of communication between Russia and the US and regardless of who is the most evil of the two, tried to keep each others goals in mind when making decisions to avoid conflicts?

Yea, might as well warm up the B52's, that will never work.

This is why I am glad you are just a commented here and not in charge of anything important.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 05:34 AM
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a reply to: midicon

It seemed that the people of Crimea actually welcomed the Russians.



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