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Can someone please inform me why Trump being friends with Putin would be a bad thing?

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posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:31 PM
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I see it all over the web, " TRUMP HAS TIES WITH PUTIN, AMERICA WILL BURN "

Seriously?

Why is it a bad thing to be friends with a leader of another powerful country, not to mention a country with a huge amount of nukes?

Don't get me wrong, I really don't think Russia is as precarious, corrupt, and fickle as the MSM paints them, and I'm really not all that worried of an attack from them..at least not one that wasn't extremely provoked ( Looking at you, Killary ), but on the other hand.. Why would it be bad to have this powerful country as a friend, rather than as an enemy, like some people think they should be?

The MSM lies about Russia, it's a fact as far as I can perceive, and have studied.
Russia is not a terrible place like North Korea, as far as I can see.
Putin is a straightforward, assertive/aggressive, confident leader. He seems much less corrupt in my eyes than most men in Washington...

Can anyone correct me with anything other than opinion? Show me a video, or some undeniable proof that Putin makes worse choices than our President/Congress..

Show me how he essentially created ISIS, over-throws countries leaders who don't need over-throwing, destabilizes entire regions just to continue war, high taxation, possibly for profits.....

Did he do such things?

Why do Americans hate this man so much?




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posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:38 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

I think it would Putin's best interest to ally himself with the US because China has been eyeing Siberia for some time. There was a post like a while back that discusses how China have plans to backstab Russia and seize control of the Siberian regions and that information coming from the CPC itself via it's propaganda mouth piece.
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posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:40 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

It wouldn't be a bad thing at all for opposing world leaders to get along. The bad things come about when there isn't any transparency to their relationship to us, the regular people.

We still haven't seen Trumps taxes, we still don't know what his foreign holdings entail, so how can anyone not be skeptical? Seriously?

Unless you just take a politician at his word because, well, I really don't know why you'd do that.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:41 PM
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What do popular high school girls do when they see another girl as a threat? They show Agression, then they spread lies to make you feel like that person is horrible and they portray themselves as a victim.

Same thing bigger scenario.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:41 PM
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China has been hacking and stealing every kind of secret from government/military/industrial for years! The Globalist lost the election so now Russia is the bad guy!


Think about it. Where is the outrage over what China has been and is still doing?


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posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:42 PM
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Because it might involve having to finally admit that all of the "aggressive" "expansionist" "imperialist" stuff 'we' demonize then for doing 'we've' been doing it far worse all these years (during the Cold War, and ever since (in every single administration post-WW2).

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posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:45 PM
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I think Trump has the goods on Putin.

Watch what happens in about a month.




posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:48 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

I've never understood the argument on Trumps taxes, either.

The IRS audits him all the time, right?

If he uses legal or grey-area loopholes of all kinds, and in turn pays no taxes... Is the law flawed, or is the law flawed?

You can bet your ass I'd pay zero in taxes the rest of my life if I could find a legal way to do it ( While making plenty of income)
I don't like the way the Government uses money. I don't care if they didn't get millions from trump to send more troops to a war that's destabilizing countries and creating more chaos... ( Same goes for Hillary, I don't care about her taxes. )

Transparency is a whole other thing, with our media.. Such things just can't be out in the open. They've led us to believe that Russia is another North Korea but with actual nuking ability, and paints them as an extremely evil enemy. To admit friendship with such a country.. He would not have won the election, and could still even face trouble. No, a long-term unveiling would be much better for everyone.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:48 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
I think Trump has the goods on Putin.

Watch what happens in about a month.




Trump doesn't even have the goods on himself



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:49 PM
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IMO at this time in history I believe America needs all the friends they can make; make, not buy...



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:49 PM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
I see it all over the web, " TRUMP HAS TIES WITH PUTIN, AMERICA WILL BURN "

Seriously?

Why is it a bad thing to be friends with a leader of another powerful country, not to mention a country with a huge amount of nukes?

Don't get me wrong, I really don't think Russia is as precarious, corrupt, and fickle as the MSM paints them, and I'm really not all that worried of an attack from them..at least not one that wasn't extremely provoked ( Looking at you, Killary ), but on the other hand.. Why would it be bad to have this powerful country as a friend, rather than as an enemy, like some people think they should be?

The MSM lies about Russia, it's a fact as far as I can perceive, and have studied.
Russia is not a terrible place like North Korea, as far as I can see.
Putin is a straightforward, assertive/aggressive, confident leader. He seems much less corrupt in my eyes than most men in Washington...

Can anyone correct me with anything other than opinion? Show me a video, or some undeniable proof that Putin makes worse choices than our President/Congress..

Show me how he essentially created ISIS, over-throws countries leaders who don't need over-throwing, destabilizes entire regions just to continue war, high taxation, possibly for profits.....

Did he do such things?

Why do Americans hate this man so much?





Americans don't... Liberals do.

You see, Democrats and liberals in general LOVED Russia for the last 100 years or so... because they were communist. If that sounds harsh, just read up on the Democratic party, liberals in general, and their feelings towards Russia before the Cold War ended. They were pretty big into the USSR model. Because it was a working progressive model.

When it collapsed (because socialism doesn't actually work if you involve HUMANS in the equation) then Russia fell out of favor with Democrats.

China certainly didn't, however. A communist country that works!!!! Never mind that China is more capitalist then we are right now... it's a socialist model that is (kinda) working!!!!

So Russia is bad so we can blame them for a DNC leak that may have influenced how badly most of America felt about the DNC, but China cannot be touched because even though they have hacked industrial and military data that is worth billions, they are a working model of what the Democrats want.

Complete governmental control. For your best interest, of course.

Trump wants to run his country and make it better. Putin wants to run his country and make it better. It may very well be that the two countries have opposing interests.

A smart leader would keep his friends close.. his enemies closer.

A stupid one would do what Obama did.
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posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:52 PM
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That's another thing.

We think Capitalism is so Star-Spangled awesome while other countries ( Who, by the way, have capitalism. ) have a much better system that works better for the people.

Less Crime, Less Pollution, Universal Healthcare.

Russians don't seem to hate their country because of communism, just Americans and other people that think their version of freedom is the only one seem to hate such things.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:53 PM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: underwerks

I've never understood the argument on Trumps taxes, either.

The IRS audits him all the time, right?

If he uses legal or grey-area loopholes of all kinds, and in turn pays no taxes... Is the law flawed, or is the law flawed?

You can bet your ass I'd pay zero in taxes the rest of my life if I could find a legal way to do it ( While making plenty of income)
I don't like the way the Government uses money. I don't care if they didn't get millions from trump to send more troops to a war that's destabilizing countries and creating more chaos... ( Same goes for Hillary, I don't care about her taxes. )

Transparency is a whole other thing, with our media.. Such things just can't be out in the open. They've led us to believe that Russia is another North Korea but with actual nuking ability, and paints them as an extremely evil enemy. To admit friendship with such a country.. He would not have won the election, and could still even face trouble. No, a long-term unveiling would be much better for everyone.

Does the IRS audit him all the time? I mean, is there actually any proof of that outside of him saying it? I'm listening if you can find it.

And didn't Trump say he had met Putin and were friends when asked about it earlier last year? Or was that just another "mic malfunction"?

Seeing Trumps taxes isn't about how much he pays, it's about why he pays what he does.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:55 PM
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Friends may be taking it a bit too far... An understanding between the US & Russia is much better than what is planned...

How nice would it be to gather up the globalists... and put them all where they belong... PRISON...

YMMV



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:59 PM
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originally posted by: 727Sky
IMO at this time in history I believe America needs all the friends they can make; make, not buy...

Exactly!!

Now that the Community Organizer in Chief has run his course and proven even faltering steps in the direction of Communism can't work ... it should be pretty easy for Trump to make the friends he wants.

0bozo created a fuggin' vacuum in the realms of friendships.
Worst president in history.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:00 PM
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So, which is it?

Liberals say he's hiding his relationship with Putin, but their definitely best buddies.

Or, did he actually admit they are friends, and now people are muddying the water for no reason?

Or, is Trump muddying the waters by affirming, then denying such things? - Which, given how the MSM reports on things, I wouldn't really blame him for not keeping a firm stance, you can't win with the MSM.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:01 PM
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Obviously as measly citizens we have been kept in the dark for a very long time about the true nature of the relation of world government(s). We are all just gears in a very large intricate money and power producing machine. I believe that we will never know the true answer to your question, only speculation based on the filtered down "facts" that we receive through media outlets - which I believe is a mind control method to keep the masses in a passive yet productive state.

If you do a simple google search on your question - every website will provide you with a different answer. You will receive the same results regarding any inquiry on many topics regarding the true nature of our world. Simple questions, yet complex misleading answers that only produce more questions. It's like a maze of riddles - your mind will lose focus and become tired, because every question leads to another question, and no answer can be produced - because no answer is available to us! You will then soon forget you even asked the question, and resume your life as if no question was even asked.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:05 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: deadlyhope


China has been hacking and stealing every kind of secret from government/military/industrial for years! The Globalist lost the election so now Russia is the bad guy!


Think about it. Where is the outrage over what China has been and is still doing?



Outrage? Maybe because China doesn't act like US or Russia being full of gangs distracting and suppressing the public.
Heck everyone is running to China for help these days because gangs are the major influence of Western Capitalist culture.

If you don't want to end one war, don't bother starting another.
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posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:08 PM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: GreyScale

That's another thing.

We think Capitalism is so Star-Spangled awesome while other countries ( Who, by the way, have capitalism. ) have a much better system that works better for the people.

Less Crime, Less Pollution, Universal Healthcare.

Russians don't seem to hate their country because of communism, just Americans and other people that think their version of freedom is the only one seem to hate such things.


Some countries have Capitalism, and guess what? They get called Dictators instead of communist. Just look at Middle East right now. The Fascists blames everything.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:14 PM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: underwerks

So, which is it?

Liberals say he's hiding his relationship with Putin, but their definitely best buddies.

Or, did he actually admit they are friends, and now people are muddying the water for no reason?

Or, is Trump muddying the waters by affirming, then denying such things? - Which, given how the MSM reports on things, I wouldn't really blame him for not keeping a firm stance, you can't win with the MSM.

That's a good question. First he says they've met and are friends, and then, does nothing but deny it later on. You'd have to ask him why he made two completely contradicting statements.

If someone lies to me then they're a liar, but I've come to realize not everyone feels the same as I do. Any office whether president or sheriff doesn't mean more to me than the person that occupies it, and that may be a major source of disconnect between me and Trump supporters.

Of course Trump is muddying the waters, if he didn't do that most people would see exactly who he is and what he's up to. One of the classic con game tactics I'm sure he's used over and over in his business dealings.

But hey, we're going to make America great again, so why not make the truth a relative thing?



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