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Senator Pan Introduces SB-18 Bill of Rights for Children and Youth in California.

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posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 08:33 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

What should happen in the case of the parent who locks their son up in a room with no food for 2 years? Who should step in when parents feed their kids nothing but cheetos and mountain dew? Who should step in when parents who are gang members raise their kids to be future gang members? Who should step in when parents who are high on drugs repeatedly rape then strangle their 12-year-old daughter?

Someone has to take responsibility when the parents won't.




posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 08:39 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: DBCowboy

What should happen in the case of the parent who locks their son up in a room with no food for 2 years?


I believe that it is already against the law.






Who should step in when parents feed their kids nothing but cheetos and mountain dew?



No one. Nunya business.




Who should step in when parents who are gang members raise their kids to be future gang members?


No one, unless they are breaking the already existing laws.







Who should step in when parents who are high on drugs repeatedly rape then strangle their 12-year-old daughter?


I believe that was already against the law.


Someone has to take responsibility when the parents won't.



So you conflate feeding your child Mountain Dew with raping them.




posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 08:42 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Who makes and enforces the laws?



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 08:44 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: DBCowboy


So you conflate feeding your child Mountain Dew with raping them.



Why not just cut to the chase and make Mountain Dew and illegal substance. That way we don't have to hurt our brains deciding the difference between rape and Mountain Dew?



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 08:44 AM
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Why not just cut to the chase and make Mountain Dew an illegal substance. That way we don't have to hurt our brains deciding the difference between rape and Mountain Dew?
edit on 14-1-2017 by DanDanDat because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 08:45 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy



No one. Nunya business.





Not allowing children to have access to proper food should be someone's business. If the parent isn't taking responsibility for their children, someone needs to.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 08:46 AM
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I have a question.

What do we do with partners who give their kids marijuana for their parkinsons?



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 08:50 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: DBCowboy

Who makes and enforces the laws?


The state.

SO you are for every state and federal law.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 08:51 AM
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a reply to: DanDanDat

Adults can make the (stupid) decision to drink all the Mountain Dew they want. Children aren't old enough to make that decision yet.

Have you heard about the Appalachian infants who are fed Mountain Dew from a bottle instead of milk? Have you heard of the horrible teeth problems they have as young adults as a result (not to mention all the other health problems)? Those babies didn't have a choice - they had to drink what their parents gave them. Bad nutrition affects not only the body, it affects the mind. Children have trouble learning when they don't have proper nutrition. When they have trouble learning, they have trouble getting jobs, which hurts our economy. So yes, we are all affected by bad parenting.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 08:51 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: DBCowboy



No one. Nunya business.





Not allowing children to have access to proper food should be someone's business. If the parent isn't taking responsibility for their children, someone needs to.


What's "proper food" ? How much cheetos doss it take before you get from "a fun snak" to "not proper food".

Where are these amounts specified in law so that I and other parents know when we are crossing the line?



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 08:53 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: DBCowboy

Who makes and enforces the laws?


The state.

SO you are for every state and federal law.


Are you against every state and federal law?

Sometimes the state has to step in when people do bad things.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 08:54 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: DBCowboy



No one. Nunya business.





Not allowing children to have access to proper food should be someone's business. If the parent isn't taking responsibility for their children, someone needs to.



So you (the state) know how to raise a child better than the parents?

What are the states qualifications?

What is their track record?

Isn't California one of the worst states for foster care?



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 08:55 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: DanDanDat

Adults can make the (stupid) decision to drink all the Mountain Dew they want. Children aren't old enough to make that decision yet.

Have you heard about the Appalachian infants who are fed Mountain Dew from a bottle instead of milk? Have you heard of the horrible teeth problems they have as young adults as a result (not to mention all the other health problems)? Those babies didn't have a choice - they had to drink what their parents gave them. Bad nutrition affects not only the body, it affects the mind. Children have trouble learning when they don't have proper nutrition. When they have trouble learning, they have trouble getting jobs, which hurts our economy. So yes, we are all affected by bad parenting.


I wouldn't be affected by that bad parenting. For ever child who can't get a job because they where feed to much Mountain Dew as a child is one more opportunity for my child to get a job.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 08:55 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: DBCowboy

Who makes and enforces the laws?


The state.

SO you are for every state and federal law.


Are you against every state and federal law?

Sometimes the state has to step in when people do bad things.


So if a state like Utah says it is bad for a child NOT to go to church, then a state can force a child to attend church against the parents wishes.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 08:55 AM
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Well, hopefully part of this proposed bill will include some guidelines for those more ignorant parents who don't know about proper nutrition and feed their child nothing but cheetos all day every day.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 08:59 AM
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Someone has to know better than the parent who locks their kid up in a room with no food for two years, or who has no clue about feeding their child, or who raises their child to be a future gang member.

Who is that someone? You tell me.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 09:00 AM
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Ironically my seven year old just asked me if she could have her May birthday at the "American Girl Doll" store in NYC.

I had to tell her no because that's bad patenting to take a child to a over priced doll store.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Are you saying that there are no laws that already exist that address these issues?



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 09:01 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

But that's not the case is it. We are not talking about religion. We are talking about basic rights to food, shelter, education, healthcare.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 09:03 AM
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But laws are bad, according to you. You say that no one should EVER step in and take over when a parent does bad things to their kid, because it's nobody's business what the parent does.



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