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The Cognitive Dissonance of the "Russian Dossier" on Trump Narrative

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posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 05:24 PM
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a reply to: neformore

I guess we are left with a billionaire who may or may not be so reckless as to hire hookers to piss all over stuff while in a hotel room in Russia, or the chance that he didn't do that, and the facts given in that news report are closer to truth than any of the other stuff.

Hires hookers to pee on stuff. (Just had to say it again, so you don't forget how stupid it sounds)


edit on 13-1-2017 by network dude because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 05:25 PM
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a reply to: neformore

An actual Kenyan Muslim would have done a much better job than Obama as POTUS, and Hillarys camp started the Obama birth certificate rumour when she ran against him in the primaries previously.

Yet butthurt leftists are convinced Trump started the rumour because CNN and confirmation bias for their cognitive dissonance.

Maybe it was Hillarys PTDS she sustained in Bosnia that lost her the election, coming under intense sniper fire will do that to a person.

Real eyes realise real lies.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 05:27 PM
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a reply to: network dude

You don't think such things happen?

Really?

Did you grow up in a convent?



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 05:29 PM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft

Such anger in your partisan posturing!

Chill out a bit?



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 05:31 PM
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a reply to: neformore

Long and short of it is that I would rather work long term with Russians than radical Islamic regimes.

For all that Russia is not a nice place, it is still closer culturally to what we are and its people have more in common to us being closer to a Western country than any fundamental Islamic nation at this point in time. For that reason alone, we have a better chance of realistic negotiations with the Russians.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 05:47 PM
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originally posted by: neformore
a reply to: Sublimecraft

Such anger in your partisan posturing!

Chill out a bit?



See, you're assuming again, this is a terrible trait when attempting to get to the truth.

Lets see how far you can stretch this - show me the 'such anger in your partisan posturing' within my 2 posts in this thread.

I'll wait, I'm also gonna be very keen to see what you consider to be my 'anger' and 'partisan posturing' without shooting yourself in the foot!!!



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 06:15 PM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: neformore

An actual Kenyan Muslim would have done a much better job than Obama as POTUS, and Hillarys camp started the Obama birth certificate rumour when she ran against him in the primaries previously.

Yet butthurt leftists are convinced Trump started the rumour because CNN and confirmation bias for their cognitive dissonance.

Maybe it was Hillarys PTDS she sustained in Bosnia that lost her the election, coming under intense sniper fire will do that to a person.

Real eyes realise real lies.



Not according to politifact, factcheck.org, or the Washington Post.

www.politifact.com...


PolitiFact and our friends at FactCheck.org and the Washington Post Fact-Checker have debunked this zombie claim multiple times.

There is no evidence that Clinton or her 2008 campaign ever floated the theory. While Clinton supporters circulated the allegations the last time she ran for president, they had no ties to either the candidate or her staff.


www.factcheck.org...

WaPo linky

Also, you got any proof/non partisan links which show that Hillary has/had PTSD.

Typical right wing bull#, distort and present lies and innuendo as truth.

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posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 06:15 PM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft


originally posted by: Sublimecraft
Yet butthurt leftists


I think that covers the anger, and the partisanship in one go.

Unless you consider such wording to be non-partisan terms of endearment (but honestly, it doesn't read that way and you may want to work on your people skills if you think it reads any other)

Or you didn't write it, in which case it may be fake news ?

Or think you didn't write it, in which case maybe you've been hacked (by Russians?)




posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 06:26 PM
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originally posted by: neformore
a reply to: Sublimecraft


originally posted by: Sublimecraft
Yet butthurt leftists


I think that covers the anger, and the partisanship in one go.

Unless you consider such wording to be non-partisan terms of endearment (but honestly, it doesn't read that way and you may want to work on your people skills if you think it reads any other)

Or you didn't write it, in which case it may be fake news ?

Or think you didn't write it, in which case maybe you've been hacked (by Russians?)



I wrote it, but it was not written in anger, I just wanted to get the maximum reaction from the least amount of words and 'butthurt leftists' is my dog whistle to bring them out so we can play.

I'll give you the partisan bit though as I have completely lost all respect for the DNC and their supporters, they are the maintainers of the great divide.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 06:30 PM
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originally posted by: neformore
a reply to: network dude

You don't think such things happen?

Really?

Did you grow up in a convent?


Nations possess chemical WMDs, did that mean intel on Iraq was accurate?
The CIA reported that Cuba was on the brink of toppling Castro and the population would largely work to overthrow him in the Bay of Pigs, this type of populist revolution has occurred all over the globe... did it happen in Cuba?
India and Pakistan developing nukes, the Iranian Revolution, ISIS, the Yom Kippur War, Pearl Harbor, the collapse of the USSR... all things the Western intelligence community muffed the ball on. You don't think these things happen, you don't think these intel agencies make huge blunders? Just look at the dossier they calim to hold on Trump and are lending credence to and see that these agencies are just as stupid, employ just as many bone heads and simpletons, and are just as politically corrupt as they've ever been. If the CIA reported that the skies would darken gradually tonight as the sun sets, I'd seek an NGO opinion on the topic before planning to pack a flashlight.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 06:32 PM
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originally posted by: neformore
a reply to: Sublimecraft

Such anger in your partisan posturing!


He even made a sign...



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 06:42 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Oh yes, they get things wrong.

But they also get things right too.

Forgetting that out of convinience because you are a fanboi is fallacy though.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: neformore

I'm not forgetting that they sometimes get things right, I'm saying Occam's Razor... if it reeks of BS, it probably came our of a bull's ass. From where I stand, this report reeks of BS. It certainly doesn't help the report's credibility that it has been run with by one of America's largest purveyors of propaganda and narrative driven fake news, CNN and a social "news" and entertainment company, Buzzfeed. It also doesn't add any credibility that John McCain, known and proven BS peddler and demonstrated warmongering jackass who has a war boner against Syria and Russia, has his grubby little fingerprints all over it.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:09 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
The only way for the intel surrounding this dossier to be as specific as it allegedly is, would indicate that the dossier was leaked ...

WHY IN THE BLUE HELL WOULD RUSSIA EVER ALLOW ANY OF THIS DOSSIER TO GET OUT TO THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES!?!?!?!?!?!?


One possibility is it's not the Russian government that's blackmailing Trump, or alternatively perhaps their demands aren't being met.

Take this story by Luke Bencie, a security managing director to various US intelligence groups inside the Department of Defense and Department of State.

"Picture this: John is a mid-level manager at a Fortune 1000 company in a major American city. He could be in software, manufacturing or financial services; perhaps pharmaceuticals, communications, energy or construction. He’s just concluded a new business agreement in principle with a company in China, and tonight he’s flying to Shanghai to meet his new partners and sign contracts. He can’t help thinking about what this new deal portends for him and his company.

John settles into his business-class seat for the long flight on this, his first trip to Asia. As he taps out some last-minute messages on his BlackBerry, a beautiful Asian woman takes the seat next to him, smiling and flashing her almond eyes. Like her silky black hair, her legs are long and sensual. She smells incredible. She and John exchange pleasantries. He discovers she is Chinese, heading home to visit her parents. She asks why he’s flying to Shanghai, and he proudly describes his company’s ties to its new business partner there. She tells him she works as an English-Chinese translator and offers to teach him some important phrases and gestures to help him in his meetings.

John has more work to do on the plane, so he politely disengages himself, opens his laptop, and plans to fill the time and distance productively. As night falls, however, the Chinese woman becomes more talkative and friendly – and distracting. She begins flirting, and the two of them share laughs over champagne, keeping the flight attendant busy refilling their glasses.

John finds the business-class dinner especially tasty: filet mignon with truffle butter and a side of creamed spinach. His devotion to career has kept him away from the dating scene for a number of years, so he’s pleasantly surprised at how comfortable he feels with this beautiful woman and how well she is responding to his banter. Eventually, she falls asleep on his shoulder, and soon he’s asleep as well. When he awakens, she has already brushed her hair and put on fresh makeup, and the flight attendant is asking what the couple wants for breakfast.

"This flight is passing too quickly!" John thinks to himself.

After landing, John and the woman clear customs and immigration together. As they walk outside, she asks the name of his hotel. When he tells her, she exclaims that she is staying there as well and offers to hail a taxi for them both. She waves several away then selects one. John follows her in; she smiles at him, and he smiles back. By this time, he’s feeling a strong attraction. He asks her to dinner, and she accepts. She suggests that he ask the taxi driver to remain on call during his stay, that it’s customary to do so. It seems like a good idea, and she makes the arrangements with him before bidding John adieu for the afternoon, presenting him with her business card and wishing him good luck.

John’s first meeting passes cordially, although his Chinese colleagues appear, as he had expected, inscrutable. Their tone is friendly and the conversation optimistic, but they don’t want to commit to a contract just yet. John is taken aback by this and presses for another meeting the next morning. They agree and promise to reconsider their position. In the taxi, John calls his CEO stateside on his BlackBerry and tells him he finds this turn of events troubling. Perhaps it’s just jet lag, the CEO responds, encouragingly.

That night, John enjoys a delightful time with his lovely new Chinese friend. They share drinks and dine, and afterwards they visit a karaoke bar. There, they order more drinks, and as they sing some corny duets, John becomes less and less inhibited. Her conversation subtly shifts the topic to his business plans and goals.

Back at the hotel, John escorts the woman to her room and, in a stroke of boldness, asks to join her. She smiles sweetly, tells him she’s flattered, kisses his cheek, and says goodnight. Back in his own room, he realizes he probably has had too much to drink. He stumbles into bed, falling asleep while savoring the memories of the evening – but failing to notice his computer and mobile phone have shifted position on the desk.

The following morning, John receives a call on the hotel phone. He learns that the meeting must be postponed; one of the principals is out of the office on urgent business. They expect him back later in the day and will reschedule the meeting as soon as possible. Meanwhile, they ask for a little more information, which John willingly provides.

That afternoon, John receives another call. They apologize again but insist that the meeting must wait until the following day – so many people to bring together, so many details to go over. Frustrated, John goes for a long walk and, upon his return, he phones his Chinese ladyfriend to see if she would like to go out again that evening. The front desk informs him that she has checked out. He goes through his pockets but cannot find her card.

The next morning, John’s taxi takes him to the meeting. Upon arrival, his erstwhile Chinese colleagues tell him they have decided to table the partnership for the time being. He feebly protests but is told the decision cannot be helped – again, so much to consider, to plan for, a thousand apologies, but this is how it must be. John becomes upset and reminds them he has worked with them for nearly a year to reach this point. Now, suddenly, there is a problem? Perhaps they don’t realize his firm could have chosen another Chinese partner? They show sympathy and assure John they will understand if his company decides to partner elsewhere. John returns home angry and dejected, trying to understand what had happened.

Does this story sound implausible, as though it came out of a grade B melodrama? Or, does it sound all too familiar? Has it happened to a colleague – has something similar even happened to you?

Maybe you have figured out the plot: Our fictional business traveler became a mark, the victim of economic espionage, intended – in this case successfully – to steal valuable business intelligence."

It's not too hard to imagine a scenario of a blackmailer contacting Trump and saying, `We have intel on you that we'll leak to the press if you don't pay our demands.'

Trump and his cohorts ignore the blackmailer thinking, `Ha, we managed to win the election even though president-elect Trump was recorded on tape saying, "I'm automatically attracted to beautiful [women]—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything." Even if the Russians have compromising information they can't hurt us. Ignore it.'

So what's a blackmailer to do? Obviously you start to leak details to the press to show you mean business.

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posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 01:16 AM
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a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

(continued)

Amazingly, not a day later from the dossier leak we see the white flag flying and the mea culpa.

"President-elect Donald Trump suggested he would be open to lifting sanctions on Russia and wasn’t committed to a longstanding agreement with China over Taiwan."

—Wall Street Journal, Jan 13 2017, "Trump Open to Shift on Russia Sanctions, ‘One China’ Policy"

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posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 01:33 AM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: neformore

An actual Kenyan Muslim would have done a much better job than Obama as POTUS, and Hillarys camp started the Obama birth certificate rumour when she ran against him in the primaries previously.

Yet butthurt leftists are convinced Trump started the rumour because CNN and confirmation bias for their cognitive dissonance.

Maybe it was Hillarys PTDS she sustained in Bosnia that lost her the election, coming under intense sniper fire will do that to a person.

Real eyes realise real lies.



Ironic that your profile has fake eyes, actually fitting considering how FOS you are.

Meanwhile the DOW, which indicates capital investment and spending is more than double what it was 8 years ago. It was under 8,000 in 2009 today in 2017 it is over 19,000

Home values are at their highest in history and home ownership is on the rise.

The American auto industry which was on the verge of collapse is breaking records.

Service members make more than ever before.

30 more million Americans have health insurance.

A record number of Americans are receiving a higher education.

Greatly extended broadband coverage in rural areas

He passed serious credit card reform.

People can marry who they want now

And Obama never came for your guns.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 01:36 AM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: neformore

I'm not forgetting that they sometimes get things right, I'm saying Occam's Razor... if it reeks of BS, it probably came our of a bull's ass. From where I stand, this report reeks of BS. It certainly doesn't help the report's credibility that it has been run with by one of America's largest purveyors of propaganda and narrative driven fake news, CNN and a social "news" and entertainment company, Buzzfeed. It also doesn't add any credibility that John McCain, known and proven BS peddler and demonstrated warmongering jackass who has a war boner against Syria and Russia, has his grubby little fingerprints all over it.


It probably only reeks of BS to you because you dig conservative bent information which comes from cows.

The war with Syria is to keep America in control of the Oil Markets, FYI, for better or worse.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 01:42 AM
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Wow... all fighty over some relatively tame "blackmail" stuff.... wow. wow. wow. I dont know if he is a pisser and hooker love tapper.. nor do any of you. BUT.. why do you care? I sure hope yall dont look in MY bedroom windows. Might catch your tender sensibilities on fire and send you into therapy. I didnt care when Monica blew Bill.. and I dont care if Trump wears a tu-tu and pisses while he pretends he is a pretty water fountain in St Peters most holy of orthodox holies. Pretty really super duper tame stuff compared to some evil doings that others participate in. Lets get the yardstick of badness out and measure. Loosk like Trump is at the low end of the stuff that sends you straight to hell and should prevent you from playing president mark.

Hmm gives uranium to our enemies who chant death to America.. versus.. pissing on stuff and paying for Russian hookers. Gee..

Bunch of puritans...



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 01:43 AM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
So, we are to believe that the Russians have assembled this damaging dossier on Donald J Trump...
This dossier has been allegedly leaked from Russia in some capacity and to a robust enough degree that the US and UK intelligence communities have extremely specific as to the dossier's contents...
Much of the dossier's contents were amassed during the presidential election races, alongside hacked documents the Russians released to prevent Clinton from getting elected...
Russia intentionally withheld anything they found on Trump while embellishing on everything they found on Clinton to influence US elections...
The only way for the intel surrounding this dossier to be as specific as it allegedly is, would indicate that the dossier was leaked from high ranking Russian sources...
The concern is that this dossier is intended to be used to blackmail or control President Trump...

WHY IN THE BLUE HELL WOULD RUSSIA EVER ALLOW ANY OF THIS DOSSIER TO GET OUT TO THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES!?!?!?!?!?!?

This makes zero sense, people. If you are trying to blackmail or extort someone, you would stay 100% SILENT about it except to the individual being blackmailed. Otherwise you weaken your position. The official narrative here is that Russia wanted Trump in office, has dirt on him, and can control him from the big chair... if that were the case, how profoundly ignorant to allow even a PEEP on what that dirt is or that it even exists out to anyone in the public or in authority outside of the Russian upper brass.

This makes as much sense as the idea that the Bush administration was as bumbling and inept as it clearly was, yet managed to pull off the largest trick play in world history, involving thousands of federal employees and officers, and managing to keep it all on the down low. Conspiracy Theory doesn't have to mean "We shove our heads up our ass and see who can come up with the most ridiculous fairy tale." It sometimes means Occam's Razor is accurate... if it looks like a setup and if you've got groups (like 4Chan) fessing up who could legitimately have faked the story, it's probably a setup.


Shocker...I couldn't agree more with what you've posted.

The fact 4chan is posting everything with screenshots and other reporters have verified they got the same story....it's almost laughable...well...actually it is laughable.



posted on Jan, 14 2017 @ 01:48 AM
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Ironic that your ATS handle is synonymous with the river bank scene from Deliverance, which suits your logic perfectly and I know that Obanana didn't come for my guns because I have none and am on the other side of the planet.

Youze yanks crack me up with your non-comprehensus da Engliee.



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