Regret 2017

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: veracity

Trump and the Republicans have said they will keep the parts of ACA, specifically the age youth can stay under parents and also preexisting conditions.

I believe they have already voted to repeal without a replacement a couple nights ago. Of course it has to pass the senate then Don will make the choice to veto or not.

There has been no vote on repealing Obama.Care.

And I bet most people that voted for Trump know Obama.Care and the ACA are the same.

And many people did in fact lose their insurance policies when the part that nullified those policies took effect.

Not to mention many people got cracked when they were chipped and whittled down to part time.

And it's kool how you made all those disclaimers in the opening post !!

it was passed in the senate 51 to 48.....let's face it, republicans want poor people that can't pay for insurance to die.....

Well, what else can poor people do if they do not have insurance but to just die off...republicans know this.

I wish they could be selfish in the sense that they would want poor people to have healthcare...so they do not taint or contaminate their circle or themselves.

You want to help the poor then we need to crack down on illegals, are you willing to do that?

Please explain how this is connected?

Are the illegals taking jobs away from the poor? Are they killing the poor? Are they spreading disease to the poor?

a reply to: veracity

That is a very liberal and condescending stance. If education of 'average people' is the problem then we should deal with that problem and not force compliance via government.

Look at it this way, if people donated to the cause of healthcare, instead of HRC's campaign for instance, then there would be $1 BILLION dollars in the coffers ready to go. Instead people gave it to her as a proxy for their convictions, and it went up in smoke.

originally posted by: Templeton
a reply to: veracity

That is a very liberal and condescending stance. If education of 'average people' is the problem then we should deal with that problem and not force compliance via government.

Look at it this way, if people donated to the cause of healthcare, instead of HRC's campaign for instance, then there would be $1 BILLION dollars in the coffers ready to go. Instead people gave it to her as a proxy for their convictions, and it went up in smoke.

Liberal? that I am
Condescending? I wasn't trying to but sorry if you read it that way

People are very diverse, some know a lot about chemistry, some know a lot about raising children...others...algebra, maybe painting or wood carving.
There are also those who follow politics closely. The average person is not an expert on politics. I say that in the sense that the average person is not equipped to run for office whether it be congress, senate or president just as I can honestly say that the average person would not know what to do if sat in front of a canvas with paint and paint brush.

Please do not take offense to it.

a reply to: Bluntone22

That's because medical insurance is completely unsustainable as a concept, nothing to do with the ACA.

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Bluntone22

That's because medical insurance is completely unsustainable as a concept, nothing to do with the ACA.

The ACA was designed to stabilize the insurance industry and help the people of America. Of course someone loses in the scenario...the super-rich, greedy, evil insurance companies.

I think bluntone feels sorry for them.

a reply to: veracity

I didn't take it as your stance. I didn't take offense and I didn't mean any either. I love my ATS peers!

I agree with you. Some people don't have the stomach to think about healthcare for example. Those people might be greatly concerned with climate change or gun control instead. I see your point that the gun control guy would not willingly want to contribute to healthcare (and vice versa). My attempted argument with the HRC campaign is that a private company can do it better. Much better. Let companies fight for our dollar. Let them put ads up telling us why we want to donate. Let them explain to us why we want to pay them.

a reply to: veracity

Many more of us are paying for someone else's subsidy while we go broke because the ACA is unaffordable. I don't regret my vote one bit.

But hey, let's give Trump's plan a chance before knocking it, eh?

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: veracity

Trump and the Republicans have said they will keep the parts of ACA, specifically the age youth can stay under parents and also preexisting conditions.

I believe they have already voted to repeal without a replacement a couple nights ago. Of course it has to pass the senate then Don will make the choice to veto or not.

There has been no vote on repealing Obama.Care.

And I bet most people that voted for Trump know Obama.Care and the ACA are the same.

And many people did in fact lose their insurance policies when the part that nullified those policies took effect.

Not to mention many people got cracked when they were chipped and whittled down to part time.

And it's kool how you made all those disclaimers in the opening post !!

it was passed in the senate 51 to 48.....let's face it, republicans want poor people that can't pay for insurance to die.....

I'd rather just pay for mine and my family's insurance, not everyone else. They should find a way to pay for theirs as well, without mooching off the working class. Has nothing to do with wanting poor people to die, and everything to do with getting off your ass and finding any way possible to pay your own way. Responsibility for one's self seems rare these days if you belong to a certain political party. Anyways, if I have to babysit you and pay for your health insurance, I should get to determine what you do with your health.

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: veracity

No regrets . EVER!

I don't know if a response like that indicates extremely good mental health, or psychopathy haha

Must be nice either way though

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: veracity

way to derail your own thread. Might have mentioned Obamacare if that's what you really wanted to talk about.
It's a failed program. The only thing it did was to give those with pre-existing conditions cheap insurance, at the cost of all the other healthy people. Or in other words, socialism. Why not just put those people on medicaid and let the free market dictate the pricing for everyone else. I sure didn't like my rates going from less than $200 to over $400 for less coverage.
And somehow, I don't think I am a statistical anomaly.

If you are going to ignore my posts and keep talking this right wing propaganda trash, I cannot help you.

All I am going to say...again...is blame the right people...that would be the RED STATE GOVERNORS, not Obama.

LOL, right wing propaganda, also know as factual truth.

I don't seem to remember the red state governors pulling in congressmen and women into the oval office for private meetings only to come out voting for Obamacare when then went in against it, but I'm sure he just told them they needed to pass this bill, so we could all find out what was in it.

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
Here in the U.K the media were claiming the same thing a month or so after Brexit. Yet everyone I know who voted to leave the E.U have not regretted doing so.

so everyone you know does not regret it? The same like-minded people you hang out with who voted to exit do not regret it?

Shocking

No, I work and play with people from all different political backgrounds. Why are people regretting their vote for Trump? He hasn't started in the job yet. If people change their minds as quick as you are suggesting, then God help us all.

Happier than I expected to be with Donald Trump at this early point. He's not even the President, but has already made deals to improve America.

Hillary would still be celebrating being the first woman President, and sleeping a lot.

The contrast between the two couldn't be more stark.

originally posted by: LSU0408


I'd rather just pay for mine and my family's insurance, not everyone else. They should find a way to pay for theirs as well, without mooching off the working class. Has nothing to do with wanting poor people to die, and everything to do with getting off your ass and finding any way possible to pay your own way. Responsibility for one's self seems rare these days if you belong to a certain political party. Anyways, if I have to babysit you and pay for your health insurance, I should get to determine what you do with your health.

Thats funny, because Obamacare has helped out the Red states the most. Some of the biggest increases in insured adults and CHILDREN are in Republican strongholds too.

One day you will get sick, and then you or your family will need good will, and I guess I think you should have goodwill even though you seem to be filled with the opposite.

I paid for insurance for my entire working life and used it 4-5 times for colds and 1 ear infection, I just didn't need it and had no reason to use it. Then guess what? The year I decided to go back to school one of my multiple jobs folded and I had to drop my insurance and I gained coverage under Obamacare. A month later I developed a lump behind my right ear and night sweats so I'd have to change my cloths 10 times in one night. to make a long story short, Obamacare saved my butt. I was able TO STAY EMPLOYED because I could treat my illness instead of be laid out in a bed UNEMPLOYED. I was also able to stay in school for the same reason, because I was being treated like a human being I was able to persevere and remain productive.

For the life of me I cannot understand why so many people are so judgmental and straight out hateful towards their
countrymen.

Its not our money actually

With that perspective it is no wonder you find disagreement.


As to republicans letting poor people die......
Reagan signed this into law to keep poor people from dying.....but hey why let a little truth color your thinking
I think everyone knows Reagan was a republican

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)
is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospital Emergency Departments that accept payments from Medicare to provide an appropriate medical screening examination (MSE) to individuals seeking treatment for a medical condition, regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. Participating hospitals may not transfer or discharge patients needing emergency treatment except with the informed consent or stabilization of the patient or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.

originally posted by: veracity
The ACA was designed to stabilize the insurance industry and help the people of America. Of course someone loses in the scenario...the super-rich, greedy, evil insurance companies.

I think bluntone feels sorry for them.

Sort of. Here's the thing about government, they're going to give you what you ask for but it's a bit like using a monkeys paw to make a wish. What we as citizens asked for was health insurance, and that's exactly what they gave us. What people actually meant was medical coverage.

Health insurance as a concept doesn't work, because the chance of you developing a financially devastating medical condition is too high. Insurance only works when society (or a subsection) agrees to pay more overall for something in exchange for protection against the expensive outlier cases. Fire insurance wouldn't work either if 50% of homes burned down after 30 years. But with expensive and common illnesses, health insurance just can't cover people. There's too many sick and not enough healthy.

Then, once the ACA got written, we all realized the hard way that most people were carrying inadequate levels of insurance. Those who were properly insured, did see their insurance costs go down but most saw their costs increase as they had to purchase proper levels of insurance.

What people were truly asking for was some sort of affordable health coverage scheme, whether that took the form of doctors competing over costs, or insurance, I don't think people really cared. They just wanted to be able to afford the doctor and have some assurances that developing cancer 20 years in the future wouldn't destroy their entire estate.

I'm curious to see what Trump does. I think single payer is the way to go but that's not looking overly likely in this decade.

a reply to: LSU0408

Here's the problem with that. Wages are too low, you cannot cover insurance without a subsidy. Look at the typical healthy budgeting plans and what current wages are.

If you fall into say the 30th percentile by income (meaning you're still doing better than 1/3 of adults) you're making about $24,000 per year. After taxes that's about $20,000. Out of that, you should be paying no more than 10% of your income to health insurance (and no more than 20% to rent... but that's another issue). So $2000/year is your budget. That's $166/month on a premium.

$166 isn't enough to pay a premium, therefore, you cannot get health coverage by paying your way. Therefore, you will ultimately get sick, go bankrupt, and probably die.