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posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: lostbook
a reply to: veracity

Give it some time, the regret(s) will start pouring in.


Not here. The alternative was death by nuclear fire... the choice seemed rather clear at the time and still does today.




posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:04 AM
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Regret for not voting for Hillary?

Let's not forget it's always been a "lesser of 2 evils" vote for alot of people, dare I say the majority.


I think it's going to take quite alot for people to regret not having voted for Hillary. ALOT.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:05 AM
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No regrets whatsoever. I actually have optimism for the first time in a while.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:48 AM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: veracity

Trump and the Republicans have said they will keep the parts of ACA, specifically the age youth can stay under parents and also preexisting conditions.


I believe they have already voted to repeal without a replacement a couple nights ago. Of course it has to pass the senate then Don will make the choice to veto or not.


There has been no vote on repealing Obama.Care.

And I bet most people that voted for Trump know Obama.Care and the ACA are the same.

And many people did in fact lose their insurance policies when the part that nullified those policies took effect.

Not to mention many people got cracked when they were chipped and whittled down to part time.

And it's kool how you made all those disclaimers in the opening post !!





it was passed in the senate 51 to 48.....let's face it, republicans want poor people that can't pay for insurance to die.....


You can show us right?




posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:48 AM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: veracity

The aca will continue to have adverse effects on the insurance industry for many more years.
Many companies will drop out, rates will climb.
The repercussions will keep coming.


so you are saying the ACA will have adverse affects on the insurance agencies? The same crooks who spiked up rates for years, enforced a pre-existing clause to steal our money to line their pockets?

So you do not want an "adverse effect" on the greedy insurance companies? You would rather have your children die of cancer bc they cannot get insurance bc of a pre-existing condition just so the rich and get richer?

Am I hearing your correctly?



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:50 AM
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originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
Here in the U.K the media were claiming the same thing a month or so after Brexit. Yet everyone I know who voted to leave the E.U have not regretted doing so.


so everyone you know does not regret it? The same like-minded people you hang out with who voted to exit do not regret it?

Shocking



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:51 AM
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a reply to: veracity

You should ask this question in about 2 or 3 years. I'm sure you'll have MUCH different answers then.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: veracity

Of the 30 million people still uninsured, how many exactly are because of non-expanded Medicaid ?

You need to show exact numbers, not percentages.

Thanks in advance.



what happened is that the non-expansion of medicaid jacked up the prices for people who bought from the exchange (i.e. obamacare, i.e. the ACA).

The people who already had insurance from their work (such as myself) did not see any change, maybe a 3 dollar a month increase but there are increases each year anyway. I believe the deductible was $500 higher which sucked but it helps those in need and I actually have a heart and felt good about that money going to people in need.

My friend who has her own business of flipping houses was paying $300/mo for insurance and that doubled to almost $600/mo. She got her insurance through the exchange. If they expanded medicaid not only would the poor (who did not have insurance to begin with) be insured but the rates would be lower than before. Also, people that were already on medicaid and low monthly payment insurance plans lost their insurance completely.

My friend would only be paying about $200/mo (less than before) if Haslam (our sweet but ignorant governor) took federal money and expanded medicaid.

As far as exact percentages, you could google a right wing news source and find a low percentage and then also google a left wing source and find a higher percentage. People will believe what they want, but the fact is if the red state govs would have expanded medicaid as the ACA intended...there would not have been so many issues. Blame the correct people.

It worked great when it was Romneycare...same exact ACT

These govs declined to help their people to derail Obamacare. They did it knowing all of this and at the risk of American lives.

Haslam probably just did it bc Corker or someone made him do it. I really think he cares about his people but just made some mistakes, trusted the wrong people.
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posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 12:02 PM
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Obamacare is funded off of trillions of dollars of national debt. National debt doubled to 20 trillion under Obama. A big part of that is funding Obamacare. Even still, Obamacare is too expensive and does not work. Socialism does not work. That's why USSR collapsed.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 12:06 PM
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originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: veracity

The aca will continue to have adverse effects on the insurance industry for many more years.
Many companies will drop out, rates will climb.
The repercussions will keep coming.


so you are saying the ACA will have adverse affects on the insurance agencies? The same crooks who spiked up rates for years, enforced a pre-existing clause to steal our money to line their pockets?

So you do not want an "adverse effect" on the greedy insurance companies? You would rather have your children die of cancer bc they cannot get insurance bc of a pre-existing condition just so the rich and get richer?

Am I hearing your correctly?


Oh, you caught me. I want dead children.

You obviously have no clue how business works.
When the aca took effect, the cost for insurance companies went up.
These companies in turn raised insurance premiums to cover the extra expense.
Who pays those premiums?
You do!



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 12:08 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: veracity

Trump and the Republicans have said they will keep the parts of ACA, specifically the age youth can stay under parents and also preexisting conditions.


I believe they have already voted to repeal without a replacement a couple nights ago. Of course it has to pass the senate then Don will make the choice to veto or not.


There has been no vote on repealing Obama.Care.

And I bet most people that voted for Trump know Obama.Care and the ACA are the same.

And many people did in fact lose their insurance policies when the part that nullified those policies took effect.

Not to mention many people got cracked when they were chipped and whittled down to part time.

And it's kool how you made all those disclaimers in the opening post !!





it was passed in the senate 51 to 48.....let's face it, republicans want poor people that can't pay for insurance to die.....


Well, what else can poor people do if they do not have insurance but to just die off...republicans know this.

I wish they could be selfish in the sense that they would want poor people to have healthcare...so they do not taint or contaminate their circle or themselves.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: veracity

way to derail your own thread. Might have mentioned Obamacare if that's what you really wanted to talk about.
It's a failed program. The only thing it did was to give those with pre-existing conditions cheap insurance, at the cost of all the other healthy people. Or in other words, socialism. Why not just put those people on medicaid and let the free market dictate the pricing for everyone else. I sure didn't like my rates going from less than $200 to over $400 for less coverage.
And somehow, I don't think I am a statistical anomaly.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 12:10 PM
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a reply to: [post=21752017]Bluntone22[/po

You are mistaken, I already know this.

With the ACA in effect, the only people who lose are the greedy insurance companies.

But with the red state govs not expanding medicaid...premiums went way up and some lost their insurance all together.


That is why there are issues. Its working swell in the blue states



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 12:12 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: veracity

way to derail your own thread. Might have mentioned Obamacare if that's what you really wanted to talk about.
It's a failed program. The only thing it did was to give those with pre-existing conditions cheap insurance, at the cost of all the other healthy people. Or in other words, socialism. Why not just put those people on medicaid and let the free market dictate the pricing for everyone else. I sure didn't like my rates going from less than $200 to over $400 for less coverage.
And somehow, I don't think I am a statistical anomaly.


If you are going to ignore my posts and keep talking this right wing propaganda trash, I cannot help you.

All I am going to say...again...is blame the right people...that would be the RED STATE GOVERNORS, not Obama.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 12:19 PM
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a reply to: veracity

You can show us all those facts and figures right?

Oh never mind, you already posted a disclaimer.




posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: veracity

You must be basing these comments on some sources that can prove it out right?

Can you show people ?




posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 12:24 PM
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Here's a new one: I didn't vote for Trump, but regret my vote nontheless.

We desperately need decent alternative candidates and a total revamp of alternative political parties.

As far as "alternative candidates" go, it looks like Trump was the best option even with the Elephant party sticker.

ganjoa



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 12:26 PM
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a reply to: veracity


The people who already had insurance from their work (such as myself) did not see any change, maybe a 3 dollar a month increase but there are increases each year anyway. I believe the deductible was $500 higher which sucked but it helps those in need and I actually have a heart and felt good about that money going to people in need.


Before Obamacare our office offered about a dozen packages with varying degree of premium/deductible. For the last few years we have only offered 2 package. Both are high deductible plans with an HSA and higher premiums. They are much worse packages at a higher price. It is nice that you are concerned with the less fortunate. I will never get how people can think that a government taxing this money out of you is a better solution than government staying out of it so you can give the money where you want yourself.
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posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: Templeton

a reply to: veracity


The people who already had insurance from their work (such as myself) did not see any change, maybe a 3 dollar a month increase but there are increases each year anyway. I believe the deductible was $500 higher which sucked but it helps those in need and I actually have a heart and felt good about that money going to people in need.


"Before Obamacare our office offered about a dozen packages with varying degree of premium/deductible. For the last few years we have only offered 2 package. Both are high deductible plans with an HSA and higher premiums. They are much worse packages at a higher price. It is nice that you are concerned with the less fortunate. I will never get how people can think that a government taxing this money out of you is a better solution than government staying out of it so you can give the money where you want yourself."



Its not our money actually, if you look at it that way it will make you miserable. The average person has no idea of politics or policies so to think they know whats best for the economy and give them faith that they will know what to do with "their" money is not even feasible.
edit on 13-1-2017 by veracity because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 12:39 PM
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originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: veracity

Trump and the Republicans have said they will keep the parts of ACA, specifically the age youth can stay under parents and also preexisting conditions.


I believe they have already voted to repeal without a replacement a couple nights ago. Of course it has to pass the senate then Don will make the choice to veto or not.


There has been no vote on repealing Obama.Care.

And I bet most people that voted for Trump know Obama.Care and the ACA are the same.

And many people did in fact lose their insurance policies when the part that nullified those policies took effect.

Not to mention many people got cracked when they were chipped and whittled down to part time.

And it's kool how you made all those disclaimers in the opening post !!





it was passed in the senate 51 to 48.....let's face it, republicans want poor people that can't pay for insurance to die.....


Well, what else can poor people do if they do not have insurance but to just die off...republicans know this.

I wish they could be selfish in the sense that they would want poor people to have healthcare...so they do not taint or contaminate their circle or themselves.





You want to help the poor then we need to crack down on illegals, are you willing to do that?



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