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Obama tells 60 Minutes shaping public opinion is "part of the job"

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posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:15 AM
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Liberals don`t have scandals or commit crimes they just make unintentional honest mistakes,they do careless and negligent things unintentionally. They collude,conspire,connive, mis-speak,mis-inform,mis-direct,but they never ever have scandals or commit crimes.

Obama is delusional.




posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:17 AM
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a reply to: IkNOwSTuff




I guess well just have to see if he keeps his promises, if he does will you admit you were wrong? Sadly if he doesnt it will just be par for the course as far as presidential campaign promises go


But if this tread is any indication...all of Trump's failures with be blamed on Obama. It's the obvious strategy of the right from what I can tell. Scapegoating and refusing to take personal responsibility....

ah yes, locker room talk...



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: olaru12

How long did Obama blame the previous administration?
He set the standard for blame storming.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

I agree somewhat with your analysis, but would have to point out one small item.

Presidents are not representatives. They are elected to be the Government's Chief Executive Officer and Commader-in-Chief of the Armed Forces.

I guess the best, or most glaring example of the CEO function was Johnson. He was the last President who could really steer Congress, in fact he was aces at that.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:20 AM
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a reply to: TonyS
Yes. 2020.

That's a fair point and you are right. Conning supporters is also part of being a leader. Even the most goodwilling and for the people politician has to break SOME promises.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:25 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

Conning supporters is also part of being a leader. Even the most goodwilling and for the people politician has to break SOME promises.

You're putting us on now.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

Conning supporters is also part of being a leader. Even the most goodwilling and for the people politician has to break SOME promises.

You're putting us on now.

No... If you think it is realistically possible with the way our country's government works to fulfill all your campaign promises then I have a bridge to sell you.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:28 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

No... If you think it is realistically possible with the way our country's government works to fulfill all your campaign promises then I have a bridge to sell you.

I don't.

I'm just aghast at the notion that you find dishonesty a hallmark of effective leadership.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:30 AM
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a reply to: NthOther

Where did I say that it is a "hallmark of effective leadership" exactly? I just merely acknowledged that leaders have to lie from time to time. It doesn't make it good. It's just a statement of reality.

You should really stop trying to peg my emotions to the things I say. I rarely comment on something emotionally.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:33 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Krazysh0t

so in the big O's first 2 years the gop was able to gerrymander his majority away? nothing to do with unpopular policies?





geez.....read up on how gerrymandering is done for Christs sakes...at least have some knowledge of the topic, before disagreeing with it...



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:37 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

Where did I say that it is a "hallmark of effective leadership" exactly? I just merely acknowledged that leaders have to lie from time to time. It doesn't make it good. It's just a statement of reality.

You should really stop trying to peg my emotions to the things I say. I rarely comment on something emotionally.

Fair enough. It just speaks volumes about the intelligence (or lack thereof) of the polity at large, that this is accepted and even expected and/or necessary.


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posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:54 AM
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originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

Where did I say that it is a "hallmark of effective leadership" exactly? I just merely acknowledged that leaders have to lie from time to time. It doesn't make it good. It's just a statement of reality.

You should really stop trying to peg my emotions to the things I say. I rarely comment on something emotionally.

Fair enough. It just speaks volumes about the intelligence (or lack thereof) of the polity at large, that this is accepted and even expected and/or necessary.



but only if the person in question is democrat. Republicans are held to a much higher standard.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: TonyS

That is a good point. Presidents are different than other elected officials.
I still think that they should follow the will of those who elected them though. I don't think it is for them to decide if we know what is best for ourselves; I thought that is what the election was for in the first place.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:12 AM
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a reply to: jimmyx

geez read the article he posted to back the "gerrymander" angle

the article itself is the opposite of what he claimed.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:13 AM
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Yep nooo evidence of hillary losing when polls had her at 80 to 90 percent winning over trump yet your still going to believe in a poll ahahahh ok. Trump wins over half the country and now obamas approval is 50 percent lol serously you cant be this blind! I would understand 30 percent but 50? I'm sure there are some dems who view obama as not a good president.

He's no jfk he didnt land a man on the moon or stop a mad situation in actuality obama is trying he best to create a mad situation with russia. His health care plan was a bad idea and he spent more then any president in history. The jobs he "created" are hype and the unemployment numbers are actually close to 30 percent. He has the highest number of people on food stamps. He spent 100 million on a website for obama care and couldn't get the website to work so google had to come in and help. The DNC is destroyed, the public has no faith in the justice system in regards to hillary, fbi, irs and 4chan trolled obamas intelligence agencies with a fake story. The american public watched the MSM go into meltdown and view it now as propaganda.

The first black president was a bad one so what! I'm sure their will be others except they might actually deserve to be president based of accomplishments not for being black. The first female president will probably need to have accomplishments instead of just having ex president husband.

Its over face it! Rebuild the dems please and get rid of race politics or identity politics. The MSM need to be rebuilt and unable to recieve or pay political parties. The DNC needs to have a new set of rules regarding fair elections for nominations getting rid of super delegates. The dems need to work with trump instead of opposing him at every opportunity regardless of what you think the public can see through the partisan bs and will hold you accountable. If the dems are so afraid of foriegn influences try to get foriegn donations taken out of american politics.

What i expect the dems to do is simply try harder to impose identity politics on the public use the msm as a tool to attack trump and his supporters and drive deeper into communists/socialist ideas to sell a fantasy of their supporters without thinking about the cost on american taxpayers to fund their bs fantasy utopian society.
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posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:13 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: shooterbrody

I've been saying that Trump is running a con on his supporters for a long time now. His whole appeal is telling you want to hear then anything he doesn't want you to believe/say he flatly denies or calls fake.

I submit the house and senate majorities as proof of what the voters wanted.

I submit that as proof of gerrymandering.


You can show us real examples of this "gerrymandering" right.




posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:15 AM
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"" Obama tells 60 Minutes shaping public opinion is "part of the job" ""

Well at least now Obama/Clinton/Democrat supporters won't be complaining about Trump.




posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:16 AM
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originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

Where did I say that it is a "hallmark of effective leadership" exactly? I just merely acknowledged that leaders have to lie from time to time. It doesn't make it good. It's just a statement of reality.

You should really stop trying to peg my emotions to the things I say. I rarely comment on something emotionally.

Fair enough. It just speaks volumes about the intelligence (or lack thereof) of the polity at large, that this is accepted and even expected and/or necessary.


Not really. This country was founded on compromise. Compromise requires ceding your beliefs somewhat to get policies you consider more important enacted. The very act of compromise means that some of your campaign promises will fall by the way side.

And this speaks nothing about promises that are made that are just unfeasible. Obama's promise for shutting down Guantanamo is an example of that. He promised it in 2008 while running, but then when he got into office he found a wall of red tape to battle as well as the politics of what to do with the prisoners that are interred there once the prison is shutdown. Many Americans didn't want them brought onto American soil, and letting them go was out of the question. So he really wasn't left with much options there.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 12:03 PM
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i dont get why people want trump to fail.......

he wants to bring jobs back, secure our borders and much more and people seem against it........ because he talked bad about women 20 years ago?

you think past presidents have been saints? there certainly have been worse than trump.... people seem too demonize him because he is a open book and says what he means and isnt afraid to say it

or is it b/c they just want to say "told you so"

i think people should give him a chance..... but b/c of who he is as a person people are like "blah blah he is bad and will fail"

im not a big fan of trump, but im willing to give him a chance

the USA has survived past president and will survive future ones

but people dont seem to realize tho that if trump is for some reason impeached.. pence would become president and you think trump is bad? ha
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posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 12:06 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

Of course presidents are meant to shape public opinion. People are elected to office to make decisions based on their own beliefs and conscience. If they were just to follow public opinion then it would just as well being direct democracy or 'mob rule'.

If a leader is on the wrong side of public opinion they should argue their case, not bend to often temporary public opinion.



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