Kingdom of Lies

Anyone who has even taken a passing interest in the news the past few days, is well aware of some horrendous accusations being hurled towards President-Elect Trump. An intelligence report being leaks over some very despicable acts performed in Russia.

The one peculiar thing, in this report, is that these accusations are un-substantiated. What's also interesting to note, is this wild report was leaked to the public.

Let's just put it out there, so people may understand what exactly this is.

Schumer warns Trump: Intel officials 'have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you'

Washington Examiner

I am partial to Occam's razor, this intel report and subsequent leak, is a jab by the intelligence community. Putting Trump on notice for his negative comments towards them. Glenn Beck made very interesting comment the other day: (paraphrasing) There are two things a president does not do, he does not go against the federal reserve because they can wreck the economy and ruin a president's reputation, and he does not go against the intelligence community, because they can spread rumors like the current one floating around, to de-legitimize a president.

Sometimes people will dress up RumINT to make it look better than it is, and sometimes the motives are obvious. Political instability can be increased by spreading rumours, and that’s a tool for an opposition and a danger for own forces. The challenge for intelligence analysis is that you can look stupid or naive if you report on every bit of nonsense out there. And the flipside is also true – if you ignore a rumour that circulates for a while, because you think its nonsense, and it turns out, eventually, to be true, you can look foolish too.

To emphasise… we are not saying that these rumours are true. We are saying that such things , although uncorroborated, can cause instability. In that sense they should be ignored. But you might want to hedge your bets… Rumours can be incredibly contagious and incredibly powerful. Never underestimate their effect, true or false.

Rumor Intel

This article is very interesting, it used examples of rumors that may or may not be true. What is very important is that whether true or not, they should be ignored, due to the political instability that is caused. The Trump scandal currently floating around, which is very dubious as admitted by multiple sources, should be ignored. It's what the result of these rumors, if believed, will cause.

RumINT does not normally make it to the higher-ups, the fact that this one did does not make it true, it is more likely a disgruntled Hillary operative or a slighted intelligence agent wanted to hurt Trump's reputation. The fact that this intel report was leaked, tells me there is major infighting between the hyper-partisans running the government.

What was interesting about my google search on 'rumor intelligence', is that this Trump scandal popped up on the search as well. It seems some people do know what this is, but the political hacks and anti-American forces are running with it.

Let us see what rumors have the potential to do to a nation, if believed.

After a rule marked by rumors of war mobilizations and other disruptive behavior, a great riot at the capital resulted in the death of the king by a mob. Ambrosio was replaced with Alvaro IV by the Duke of Mbamba, Daniel da Silva. King Alvaro IV was only eleven at the time and easily manipulated.

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It's very telling the left would latch onto rumors that paint Trump in a negative light. They would prefer civil war and/or nuclear war over someone opposed to their ideological positions.

Granted, this is a conspiracy site, conspiracies should never make it main-stream due to the implications. It's fun to speculate, but there comes a point where those speculations become a clear and present danger towards the health of a nation. Whoever in the intelligence/political community released these reports is a traitor, whoever created this report should be fired for negligence, and whoever wants to believe this report (whether true or not) is possibly a subversive at heart.

It's best people understand what these rumors have the potential of doing to our nation. This is something foreign powers do to nations to cause instability.

Journalists who expect us to believe secret or anonymous sources without any evidence aren't practicing journalism. They are practicing deceit.

Great read, thank you.

Well, if there are people in the intelligence network who are passing rumors to discredit the office of the president of the United States and do not have real good evidence to back them, that would be treason wouldn't it?

Just asking a question about this above, not giving an opinion.

Remember, some intelligence department official said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and how much did that war cost the United States? Did their misinformation lead to putting the responsible parties in prison?

Yep if you pick a fight or threaten the bunch who over throws governments and assassinates leaders world wide you better have iron clad skin and some very good food tasters along with top notch security who can't be bought and actually likes you.

The next 7 days can not pass fast enough for me... Just paranoid thoughts on what could or might happen between now and the inauguration.. Our intel agencies have some of the best people living and working for them but they also have some really sick puppies who can justify just about anything in their twisted little programmed minds.

originally posted by: rickymouse
Well, if there are people in the intelligence network who are passing rumors to discredit the office of the president of the United States and do not have real good evidence to back them, that would be treason wouldn't it?

Just asking a question about this above, not giving an opinion.

Remember, some intelligence department official said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and how much did that war cost the United States? Did their misinformation lead to putting the responsible parties in prison?

Honestly, I'm not sure on the laws, but if it isn't it should be.

I think there should have been ultimate punishments for those who passed the WMD lies. It's a shame this wasn't remedied, now we have a precedent that has reached ridiculous absurdity.

What we need to ask ourselves is, does promoting these rumors benefit the country, or does it create instability?

a reply to: GodEmperor

" We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the public believes is false "
William Casey CIA Director 1981-87

They were 90 percent there till the 4th estate jumped the shark with Hillary,unfortunately they are still probably 50-60 per cent there.

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: GodEmperor

" We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the public believes is false "
William Casey CIA Director 1981-87

They were 90 percent there till the 4th estate jumped the shark with Hillary,unfortunately they are still probably 50-60 per cent there.

"Propaganda is to a democracy what violence is to a dictatorship."
-- William Blum

originally posted by: GodEmperor

originally posted by: rickymouse
Well, if there are people in the intelligence network who are passing rumors to discredit the office of the president of the United States and do not have real good evidence to back them, that would be treason wouldn't it?

Just asking a question about this above, not giving an opinion.

Remember, some intelligence department official said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and how much did that war cost the United States? Did their misinformation lead to putting the responsible parties in prison?

Honestly, I'm not sure on the laws, but if it isn't it should be.

I think there should have been ultimate punishments for those who passed the WMD lies. It's a shame this wasn't remedied, now we have a precedent that has reached ridiculous absurdity.

What we need to ask ourselves is, does promoting these rumors benefit the country, or does it create instability?

Someone, not Russia, is promoting all of this chaos. Russia is benefiting by it though. I think it has something to do with the USA breaking away from what people call the NWO, people who desire to have one global power. That is a powerful group of individuals, I sure would not want to get them pissed off at me.

a reply to: GodEmperor

....and with regards to Trump/Russia

" If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it people will eventually come to believe it."
Joseph Goebbels

a reply to: khnum

We have already seen the result of what happens when Big Lies are accepted as truth.

What will the response be, will it just be internet censorship, mass arrests, or will it be a military response?

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: GodEmperor

....and with regards to Trump/Russia

" If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it people will eventually come to believe it."
Joseph Goebbels

How fitting that quote is for this OP considering operation paper clip, we brought all the 'best' nazis to America and put them to work for our Government.

a reply to: GodEmperor

All of that and more and they'll make it a patriot duty especially among the young to snitch on people who have half a clue

a reply to: stosh64

Not to mention the CIA was based on the Nazi Gehlen corporation and took quite a few of them on board,when Trump suggested those leaks were something Nazi's would do he might of been very close to the mark.

a reply to: GodEmperor

This scandal shows the importance of disinfo agents and how they are used and they come form within NOT from outside the government.

a reply to: khnum

There is good argument to support the Nazi ideology has won out. Edward Bernays spoke out against the Nazis for using his propaganda techniques for evil, that was a long time ago and those techniques have been refined and perfected.

The Cold War was less about fear of war with Russia, more about galvanizing the nation and increasing productivity. Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union, the US has been struggling to convince the public on a common enemy.

I think the problem is Trump wants to actually run the country, and as we know, that's not the Presidents job That stuff is left to those behind the curtain.

If he survives a couple of years in the job he won't even resemble the man who took the seat. Look at how Obama aged horrendously. He will have to learn to just sign his name and not to question and to never ever think he's in charge!

a reply to: intrptr

So... let me see if I have understood this correctly.

A man who has been recorded as saying that waterboarding is too soft, that he wants a larger military, both things which indicate a strong level of support for the intelligence and military communities, is being harpooned by US intelligence elements?

Yeah... sure. Sounds totally legitimate.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Some political appointees may choose party over patriotism, this is looking more like in-fighting between the factions every day. Generalizations should be avoided, the entire intel community is not being subversive, only those who are more loyal towards a political party than the country.

a reply to: GodEmperor

Ever since Vietnam it has not been about winning wars but securing ever bigger sales and profits for the military industrial complex we are at the point now where it trains,arms and unleashes it own fabricated enemies take ISIS for instance with its multimedia sophistication,elaborate financing and all the rest of it,the whole war on terror is a psyop the model isis is based on was written decades ago by General Aquino and General Vallely NSA -US psyops spooks, but after 16 years the novelty has worn off so its back to an older more credible threat Russia