originally posted by: djz3ro
a reply to: SeekingAlpha
All I can say is, unless your president abuses children or animals, his sexual proclivities are nothing to do with you.
I think this is a good point and was just about to post something about this myself.
If i may, i wish to expand a little further on this point:
(Stay with me here, this may appear a little off topic at first)
America is touted as a relatively (compared to the rest of the world) liberal society and certainly a society which one could fairly describe as
(again relatively) sexually liberated. American society has come to a point where homosexuality (and all the other 'in-betweens') is seen as perfectly
normal and acceptable (which i personally feel is the right point of view) and anyone who feels differently to this is, to put it mildly, thoroughly
chastised and, in fact, opens themselves up to criminal prosecution should their remarks stray into the realms of offensive.
Americans are told that their society should mind it's own business what people do behind closed doors, as long as it does not harm others and is
between consenting adults and, i believe, the majority of people support this stance wholeheartedly.
Now, here we have a story about a consenting adult engaging in a sexual practice with other consenting adults, and suddenly this is seen as utterly
despicable and grounds to suggest that Donald Trump is unfit to be president.
Now, lets say we substitute urolagnia for homesexual intercourse; would there be the same reaction here? Would the same individual's calling for
Trump's head be levelling the same amount of hyperbolic vitriol if he was having gay sex? That would be somewhat paradoxical i feel, or at least
If the argument is that this information could be used to blackmail Trump; blackmail is only effective if the information held is potentially
damaging, and, in this case, the information is only damaging if people are willing to view it as such. If people were instead inclined to view it as
'none of anyone else's business what consenting adults do behind closed doors' then it ceases to be damaging and therefore ceases to hold any power
Now the questions are;
A) are the same people shouting about this; i.e. viewing his actions as potentially harmful, wrong, damaging etc. the same people who would defend the
rights of LGBT people to live their lives (and their sex lives) as they see fit, free from judgement and interference from others.
B) if so then; why are these people happy to accept one kind of sexual practice between consenting adults yet vehemently decry another? Does it serve
an agenda? Or is it a case of 'anyone can do what they want as long as I don't personally find it objectionable'?
Are they drawing an arbitrary line of morality based on their own sensibilities and, in fact, are only liberal/libertarian when it suits them? Or
are they feigning outrage because it's politically convenient to do so, thus undermining their own integrity
. If not, are they genuinely
unaware of their hypocrisy?
C) if they are in fact part of the group that believe that ANY behaviour outside of a 'normal' heterosexual relationship is wrong, then why are they
not being subjected to the same level of abuse and outrage that they would be if they were calling into question his fitness to be POTUS if he were
It smacks of hypocricy and cognitive dissonance at best and deliberate manipulation and politically 'selling out' for convenience ( in this case for
'convenience' read 'character assassination') at worst
Wiki definition of politically selling out, for reference:
"In political movements a "sellout" is a person or group claiming to adhere to one ideology, only to follow these claims up with actions contradicting
I will say again, as i feel it is tremendously important here that; this kind of information is ONLY effective as blackmail if it has the power to
damage Trump, and it ONLY has the power to damage Trump if the people decide they care what he does in his own bedroom.
So, you decide; is it ok for people to enagage in any kind of non-harmful, sexual behaviour they like in private or is it ok to make judgements and
interfere in an individuals sex life because we personally find what they are doing to be unpalatable?
That's the only pertinent question here in my view. Everything else is just window dressing.
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