Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer
That's one definition of secularism. It's also a person who just kind of doesn't like religion.
Moore has basically called religion an entity used just to control the masses. To me, that's not just calling for the seperation of church and state,
it's showing complete distaste for religion.
Democratic Socialism is mostly known as a secular government elected by the people with a socially-oriented free market economy. Socialism has
many faces and I believe this is the best form of government today. Even the US has some socialist policies and every western nation has them as
well.
You can't have a socially-oriented free market economy. It's just a way for Europeans to get away with being like the Soviets without actually
calling themselves the same thing.
Capitalism means no government control over the economy where I come from. A government that goes around taxing and setting standards and regulations
on everything is not capitalist.
And yes, America, and the West in general, have been adopting socialist policies. It's been screwing over all the economies at the same time. Canada
and Europe's economies are generally awful. Many in America want to take it down the same path.
Nevertheless, Moore doesn't call for conversions of hundreds of millions to christianity does he? he respects people's right to religion even
if he may disagree with the evangelical right and their politicial agenda.
Like he respects small businesses? What did he say again? Bring on the shackles?
Extreme leftists are the closest thing the Western world has to nazism, and Moore is pretty close to fitting the bill.
the 'other' definition of secularism is someone who is skeptical and/or cautious of religions. There's nothing wrong with this IMO as religion is a
powerful propaganda tool for those who support its agenda. I'm glad you see that you think Moore isn't as bad as Coulter in regards to religion but
what is the point of saying 'small businesses'? regulations on businesses is nothing compared to forcibly converting millions of people to another
religion.
As for the economic situation in Europe, the east and west are still trying to come to terms with the rebuilding of their economies after the fall of
communism. West Germany was a powerhouse economy until reunification and the East is a (if not the) primary reason why Germany has had such a rampant
problem with unemployment and economic growth. A recovering Germany (the largest economy in europe) has also had effects on the other western european
economies, particulary France. Anyways the point i'm trying to make is that you can't point the finger at western europe's systems as a failure
when you consider the massive task that it is up against and the fact that the european economies are recovering. I do agree reforms have to be made
to help the recovery , but not at the expense of principle for money. The US economy has a lot of problems itself so it's system isn't exactly
perfect or the world benchmark for economic health either.
I just can't come to terms why you defend ann coulter like this? we all agree moore is bad but he sure isn't as bad as Coulter. This woman spills
hatred and is a sign to all what is wrong with america today.
thanks,
drfunk
[edit on 31-1-2005 by drfunk]
The level of ignorance displayed by the likes of Coulter is frightening. God forbid that the whole world thinks all Americans are like her! Did you have a chance to watch the fifth estate?
