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Carbon Tax, Yes or No?

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posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 12:42 AM
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a reply to: Phage



You don't Phage me... carry on with your "peer reviewed BS"




posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 12:47 AM
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a reply to: JacKatMtn

Climate is not the same thing as weather.
Climatologists do not predict weather.



posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 12:52 AM
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a reply to: Phage

CLimatologists is a creation to push an agenda...

and THEY aren't very good at it either.... no matter how much money they gather to please the donors to PUSH an AGENDA at the expense of true SCIENCE...

True Science is a collaboration of DIFFERING opinions to seek truth from hypotheses...

Not eliminating differences of opinion, to create a well funded MANDATE...

Who knows how much closer to the TRUTH we would be if Academics didn't shame and exclude those who had different opinions....



posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 12:53 AM
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CLimatologists is a creation to push an agenda...

When did that agenda come into being, do you reckon?



True Science is a collaboration of DIFFERING opinions to seek truth from hypotheses...
No. Science seeks to avoid opinion.



posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 01:00 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Good luck with that ....

Science that I know is inclusive... not selective to reinforce a belief...

New ideas, or mere common sense seem to put SCIENCE in a kerfuffle...

How dare the unlearned doubt our peer reviewed assessment?

Perhaps the folks are wise to the smell of BS... No matter the scientific spin and the globalist support..

A pile of S.. is always going to be just a big steaming pile....



posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 01:02 AM
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How dare the unlearned doubt our peer reviewed assessment?

If the "assessment" can be supported with data, it must be accepted. If the assessments consists of, "No, you're wrong", then you go to the back of the line.

You know, there's a solution to being unlearned.


edit on 1/11/2017 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 01:10 AM
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a reply to: Phage

There's no talking to you... I have no harsh feelings... it is what it is...

I know you are FIRM in your convictions...

I am to some extent the same... it was my mistake to engage thinking that I could possibly have you reconsider your position..


Carry on my wayward son, For there'll be peace when you are done


Don't be a smartass and reply with the next 2 lines



posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 01:18 AM
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a reply to: JacKatMtn

I hate that song.



posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 01:28 AM
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a reply to: Phage




When did that agenda come into being, do you reckon?

Some tell me it was during the Margaret Thatcher era, just what I've heard lol.



posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 01:29 AM
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a reply to: D8Tee
You shouldn't rely so much on what you've "heard."



posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 01:48 AM
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a reply to: Phage

It was a tongue in cheek joke.



posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 02:07 AM
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The last thing the economy needs now is additional taxation. However there is nothing wrong with changing how we calculate that tax.

If government wants to get serious about climate change, and pollution generally, then change the taxation model of business away from profit made (which they often avoid paying anyway) and on the environmental footprint they make.

Companies that operate in a environmentally responsible manner will gain a competitive advantage over those that don't.



posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 02:10 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Low and middle income Albertans (is that proper usage?) receive a carbon tax rebate.
Small businesses receive a tax cut.



posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 02:15 AM
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a reply to: Phage

If it isn't the correct usage it darn well should be.

Was thinking not so much increases and rebates on the current business tax schemes, but an entire replacement based on environmental impact.



posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 02:26 AM
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a reply to: D8Tee

yes - start with diamond - and pencils



posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 02:38 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Yes,and that is a transfer of wealth. How does that change behavior as you get rebate for being low income? This tax also goes up two more times. This tax is deceitful as it was presented as you could drive less,turn your heat down ect. but they glossed over the domino effect it will have as municipalities also payed by taxpayers have to pay for incresed costs as well. well . Alberta is still reelng from massive layoffs in the oil industry. This tax is promoted with a host of green jobs it will bring and will diversify our economy .
Small business tax cut will be negated by minimum wage hike (more to come)CPP increase and carbon tax. The NDP also sued our own power producers to bring in their own mandate . Yes,lots of reason to invest here.



posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 02:42 AM
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Yes,and that is a transfer of wealth.
From whom, to whom?


Alberta is still reelng from massive layoffs in the oil industry. This tax is promoted with a host of green jobs it will bring and will diversify our economy .
Yes. Oil got cheap. Time to look elsewhere?



Yes,lots of reason to invest here.
Several billions going to encouraging such, it would seem.



posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 03:01 AM
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We have a new socialist NDP government. The rebate is based on your prior years income. Low income get full rebate. OIL has gone up as OPEC is cutting production So we pay more at pumps and carbon taxPart of the carbon tax (levy)is to obtain social license as we host the notorious oil sands. We had the honor of hosting Jane Fonda today to do her Greenpeace thing as well earlier that other actor Leonardo who accused our chinook winds as proof of Climate Change. Tides foundation is pretty active here too.



posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 03:49 AM
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How about organizing a coalition of groups who are against taxing CO2 emissions, as the industries that have formed a coalition for a carbon tax are doing?.

The cost will be plopped in the laps of those who can't afford to pay by rolling the expense for polluting into the end cost of everything while the corporations, business and industry will still get their insane profits.

I have never seen the issue of logging the forests (just one example) mentioned clearly as in they are removing the natural carbon sequestering effect of the forests and other plants within the system.

It smells like a classic scam to me as the details of the thing are not made particularly clear.

Back to the coalition though, if enough refused to pay their silly fabricated tax for profit, what could they do?, build carbon tax prisons?.

Coming soon to the ignorant masses if they don't wake TF up, "carbon tax evasion prisons"...

I believe debtors prisons were made unlawful here long ago, so it shouldn't even be an issue...
edit on 11-1-2017 by MyHappyDogShiner because: b and n are too close together on my keyboard...



posted on Jan, 11 2017 @ 04:17 AM
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no.

Never.



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