I am not a Lefty and have been called a Nazi because I oppose "progressive causes." Progressive is a loose euphemism for socialist.
For example, high progressive taxes on those who produce the most is good for helping fund government programs. This is forced redistribution of wealth. That is socialism.
Now for the Nazi tie-in. It is not widely known that Nazi is a shortened term for Hitler's Political party. The whole name is the National Socialist German Workers' Party. Hitler was a proud socialist.

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's
capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the
economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its
unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and
property instead of responsibility and performance, and we
are all determined to destroy this system under all
conditions." --Adolf Hitler

(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

So, how can I be a Nazi for opposing socialism?


[edit on 28-1-2005 by emptymindedLefty]

*blessed silence*

BTW, I hate real Nazis. I am proud that my grandfather killed them in WW2.

Well with that quote you shut up the lefties on this board.

The goose stepping lefties have been in denial about their leader Hitler since he lost the war; no one wants to be associated with a loser.

But how do they hide their anti-Semitism when Socialist Europeans brazenly call for the dismantling of Israel?

Ironically Israel is also Socialist.

Socialism, a good idea-----but it smells really bad when you get up close to it.

emptymindedLefty - Actually, the name "socialist" in Hitler's National-Socialist party was a fallacy. He put forth a left-winged platform which he never really believed in. Actually, Hitler hated socialists (if memory serves, the Social Democrats were among the parties banned after the Reichstag burned) and loathed communists even more (a lot of them ended up in work camps).

I don't think that all conservatives are Nazis. There are layers in conservatism - there are social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, moral conservatives, etc.

Those I would call Nazis are those who would say that in all cases they stand on the side of Truth and all others are on the side of treason. Ann Coulter is a perfect example of this.

But I myself am a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.

You have voted Otts for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have one more vote left for this month.[/qoute]

Otts I think that's very well put

Once again Otts brings the smackdown (politely).

By the way Emptymindedlefty, posting your initial thread and then 30 minutes later posting a comment aimed at perhaps bringing attention to the lack of replies is kinda impatient. The ATS Politics forum tends to move slowly I find. What used to be a couple of forums is now spread out to many. The good thing about being patient is that eventually people like Otts come along and post excellent comments with which you may learn something new.

Cheers.

[edit on 29-1-2005 by cargo]

Well, um... thanks folks. *blushes*

And it's true that sometimes it just depends on who's on the board at what time... you may be posting at a time where only 5 posters are there and are busy replying to another thread...

Originally posted by Otts
Actually, Hitler hated socialists (if memory serves, the Social Democrats were among the parties banned after the Reichstag burned) and loathed communists even more (a lot of them ended up in work camps).

So true but there wasn't much Hitler liked other than the idea of a thousand years of a Third Reich, a perfect world, run by a perfect Arian race under a Socialist government.

In his early years he hated the idea of [him] living under Socialism and Communism-----however he had no problem being the ruler over those systems.

Big difference----slave or slave master, he chose slave master.

Hitler wasn't a socialist. He may have relied on a socialist program from 1923 to his accession to power, but his rule was not socialist - it was totalitarian and reactionary. Social-democracy and the West European brand of socialism is usually inclusive; Hitler's regime was exclusive (condemnation of homosexuals, Jews, and bohemians; forced inclusion of unions into the Nazi party). In that sense... Stalin was not a socialist either, no matter what he said.

Originally posted by emptymindedLefty
For example, high progressive taxes on those who produce the most is good for helping fund government programs. This is forced redistribution of wealth. That is socialism.

emptymindedLefty,

I believe you have it all wrong!

Isn't it the Liberals on Capital Hill that propose higher taxes to redistribute the wealth among the lazy?

Whoever you are, I'll tell you right now! I'm a Conservative and I hate Nazis!

[edit on 29/1/05 by Intelearthling]

Otts, if you consider yourself a 'fiscal conservative" and a "social liberal", then you're quite a bit like me.

However, I don't like the term "liberal" anything or "conservative" anything, because both of those bankrupt pseudo-philosophies are, in the main, anti-freedom. they both pretend to be guardians of our freedoms, yet they are their betrayers.

"Liberals" allow you "social" freedoms, i.e., free to make most life-style choices, while "conservatives" allow you some "fiscal" freedoms, i.e., letting you keep most of your own earnings.

But in both cases, these various flavors of statists take away more rights than they preserve.

I believe in freedom of choice for everything: guns, gay marriages, tax credits for private schools, abortions, suicide, dueling -- anything that two or more consenting and competent adults choose to do as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

I consider some of the activities morally wrong and I would never do them, but that does not mean I want them banned or regulated by the government.

Over 200 years ago our countries were broken apart, with the southern half (mine) trying to enhance certain liberties. It didn't work, of course; the mischief of our present thugocracy is an order of magnitude worse than anything poor old crazy George Hanover could do.

Which brings me to my "pimps and hos" poem, which you as a Quebecois may appreciate:

"And so I say to you pimps and hos,
'Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose'."

I consider my self very similar also, off_the_street. I have been called a socialist communist here in bouts of pure labelling without any knowledge of where I stand. Australia is a capitalist country with mixed social benefits schemes. I like the way my country is set up economically (to a degree) and am very pleased with how John Howard steered this country to become the fastest growing economy in the western world. But I still believe we are over taxed with a lot of ministerial wastage. Nothing is black or white and often it's the greys that work better.

However, like you I believe in freedom to own arms, which John Howard has almost single handedly eroded with overtly strict limitations put in place. Conservative Americans applaud Johnny for his service to them but don't realise he is one of the most rabidly anti-gun people on this earth. Like you I believe that what people choose to do in their private lives is nobody's business regarding gay marriage and abortion etc. I am pro-military and believe that force is a legitimate action in circumstances. We would not be here if it wasn't for a man with a gun at different times throughout history, both good and bad. I actually had a person tell me that we don't need a military which is probably the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. It's also a reason why the Green party will never be more than a few senate seats to keep the bastards honest on certain policies, but nothing more.

I just can't call myself left or right as there are too many things I appreciate and dislike from both sides of the spectrum. Some people don't understand this and feel the need to belong to a bigger team. I am an independent thinker.

Again, you put it perfectly Otts. But alas, it is late here...so late the sun is coming up, and I must leave putting the finishing touches on this animation for when my mind is revived. G'night.

There is a good chance that hitler was a conservative even though he despised them along with socialism. Just like he was a jew but yet his intentions were to kill the jews. Ha ha hitler was a conservative jew.

Originally posted by againstNWO_acts
There is a good chance that hitler was a conservative even though he despised them along with socialism. Just like he was a jew but yet his intentions were to kill the jews. Ha ha hitler was a conservative jew.

"If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything" girl in front of me