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Secret $10B to an enemy.....treason?

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posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 06:19 PM
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originally posted by: Drftr1955
The question is why...give an enemy any amount of money.


It's called appeasement, and in Obama's case, kicking the can down the road.

I have always thought his number one priority was his vanity. Iran has long been a problem with no easy solution. By mollifying them, I think he thought he could avert any crisis he might be blamed for and just make it the next President's problem.

Of course, he probably thought that was going to be HRC. And let's face it. I don't care what anyone says. He never liked her. So he likely found it amusing that she would have to deal with the issues. Now that it's Trump...even better.




posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 06:22 PM
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when I realised that all aid/weapons/resources is sold to pretty much every country no matter where you are from that's the point I gave up in believing there is any side in which we can call the enemy. It's all just one big money network .. that's the way I see it anyway

Edit: either that or I've spent too much time on ATS

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posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 06:55 PM
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So giving them their money back after their assets were unfrozen as part of the Iran Nuke deal is treason?



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 07:01 PM
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originally posted by: Pyle
So giving them their money back after their assets were unfrozen as part of the Iran Nuke deal is treason?


We should have kept it for payment of restitution for the 444 days from November 4, 1979, to January 20, 1981.




posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 07:07 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Pyle
So giving them their money back after their assets were unfrozen as part of the Iran Nuke deal is treason?


We should have kept it for payment of restitution for the 444 days from November 4, 1979, to January 20, 1981.





Maybe you should blame Regan then for not taking the money and instead leaving it frozen?



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 07:42 PM
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The Iranians need the money and the uranium.

The Saudis have bought a viable nuclear threat.

An exchange of nuclear weapons between these two states is next.

Islamic civilization will be finally destroyed.

Israel will be safe for the Future.

The Oil will still be under the sand.

It's in the Plan.




posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 09:19 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen



He was doing his duty for due process.

Was he doing his duty when he sold them those missiles?



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 09:24 PM
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a reply to: draoicht


An exchange of nuclear weapons between these two states is next.

Seeing how Iran doesn't have nukes that doesn't seem likely.


Islamic civilization will be finally destroyed.

More than two nations follow Islam.


Israel will be safe for the Future.

Our welfare nation of terrorist will be safe oh goody.


The Oil will still be under the sand. It's in the Plan.

You go and drill for oil in a radioactive wasteland you better have a good plan.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 10:54 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen


This Iran money is not a loan.

Right you are. The Iran money is Iran money which has been frozen in non-Iranian banks.


Nuclear deal allows Iran to access its frozen assets
Money to Iran

The countries involved are not collectively writing a check to Iran. According to Richard Nephew from Columbia University, the money is revenue from oil and gas sales that foreign banks are forced to hold.

With the sanctions lifted, Iran was expected to end up with about $50 billion after financial obligations and other matters, according to experts we spoke to and testimony from Treasury Secretary Jack Lew.

Iran would not receive the money without U.S. permission. If the U.S. had not cut a deal with Iran, the funds would still be frozen under the sanctions. So while no taxpayer money goes to Iran, the U.S. allowed Iran to receive billions of dollars.

It’s unclear how much money has been released to Iran. The sanctions were lifted when the deal was implemented earlier this year, but only the Iranian Central Bank knows exactly how much is available to the country.



posted on Jan, 10 2017 @ 04:04 AM
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a reply to: Drftr1955

Its only treason, if the very same things done for other countries under Bush (either one) Clinton, Reagan, Nixon and others over the years, is also treason. And the order in which these things ought to be bought to court, is the order in which they happened. So, we have two Bushes and a Clinton to go at least, before we ever get around to a treason proceeding against Obama.



posted on Jan, 10 2017 @ 06:55 AM
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Iran is considered a state sponsor of terrorism. If Iran needed funds to continue supporting their terrorist projects, Obama was glad to contribute thereby providing our military industrial manufacturers a reason to continue producing trillions of dollars of munitions to provide arms globally to combat these terrorist operations.
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We don't export refrigerators any more. Our #1 export is munitions.
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posted on Jan, 10 2017 @ 07:21 AM
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time.com...


So back in the day when Iran was an ally. They sent over 400 million to buy fighter jets. And when they were no longer an ally we didn't send any jets. And we also kept that money.

So any money given to Iran is money we owed them...... with interest.



What was universally known as the Iran hostage crisis went on for more than a year, and finally ended with a bargain: In exchange for the release of 52 American diplomats and citizens, both sides agreed to resolve the question of money through international arbitration. The Iran-United States Claims Tribunal has trudged along for almost four decades now, and the money has flowed both ways. By 1983, Iran had returned $896 million to U.S. banks, which in turn had returned hundreds of millions in frozen funds to Iran. Today, private claims from the U.S. side have been resolved to the tune of $2.1 billion.

But still at issue as Obama began his second term was $400 million that Iran in the late 1970s had paid for U.S. fighter jets, while Tehran was still a U.S. ally. After it turned into an enemy in 1979, Washington was not about to deliver the jets. But, all these years later, Iran wanted its money back—and with interest.



posted on Jan, 10 2017 @ 07:50 AM
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In the 50's, the CIA instigates a overthrow of the leader in Iran to install a new, pro US/GB oil leader. We don't deliver military goods purchased. The US Navy shoots down an Iran commercial airliner. Saddam, propped up by the US, invades Iran.

And Iran has issues with the US, who would have thought.

Reagan worked a deal to get them illegal arms in exchange to help his election bid and more under the table money for CIA use so they are open to deals.



posted on Jan, 10 2017 @ 06:00 PM
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originally posted by: Natas0114
My guess is that Iran is the laundering service for isis. And stop number 2 on the drain the swamp tour should be George Soros' house.


Unlikely, Iran and ISIS hate each other.

If we were going about things intelligently, we would be using Iran to fight ISIS so that it remains a Muslim vs Muslim affair.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 10:05 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

So that being said, the order is known, what about swift to proceed?



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 11:28 AM
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a reply to: eldemie

That is down to the people of the United States of America.

And it should be noted that there are an awful lot of people out there, whose names are not nearly as well known, who should ALSO be on the list. Private citizens with deep pockets and lots of politicians in them, who facilitate that which simply cannot be done by government, agency figures, powerbrokers, everyone down to the arms companies and private military organisations which fill the blanks.... there is SO much to this issue, so many people who, in a righteous and just system, would be placed in a hole so deep you could throw a nuke down it and never even see a flash from the bottom.

But if anything is ever going to be made right, then the people are the only ones who will be able to make that happen, and it will not happen if everyone keeps going to their jobs in the morning, keeps taking their kids to school, keeps sitting in the "Drive-Thru" line, and consuming. The only way to make this happen is to act as one, stand up and refuse to engage, instead of driving to work, drive to D.C. Stand up for what is right, in your hundreds of millions, and request, nay, DEMAND that first:

Those who have engaged with this activity are taken to task, in a public court, that any and all information about who is involved, how they are involved, what was done, where and by whom comes out in public, no matter how secret or dangerous or whatever it may be, so that nothing can ever be considered hidden about this horrific last God knows how many years of foreign affairs nonsense..

And second:

That no matter which party is in power, that they refrain from EVER inviting the ire of the people in such a way again, by any means, and in any way, on pain of being swept away and buried in unmarked graves.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 08:40 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: DrumsRfun

The bailouts were loans that got paid back I think.

This Iran money is not a loan.

Both not justified in any event.





I am in no way defending Obama but for the sake of accuracy it should be noted the bailout was the Bush admin, not Obama's.



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 01:55 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Gotcha!

I appreciate your input, always something informative from ya =)



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 02:18 AM
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originally posted by: Natas0114
My guess is that Iran is the laundering service for isis. And stop number 2 on the drain the swamp tour should be George Soros' house.


Iran has been HELPING the West fight ISIS.

SMH.



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