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Why is the Government and John McCain lying about Russia???

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posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 01:47 AM
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I have a pretty simple question.

Why do so many people think the CIA, FBI and the NSA are lying about Russia?

Why would John McCain, a man who fought, bled and was tortured for this country, also perpetuate the lie? Didn't many of YOU vote for him back when??? John McCain has stated he thinks it is an act of war...

Why on Earth would career Republicans work so hard at perpetuating a narrative that could impact their own party?

I can't come up with a good reason, but I can come up with many reasons why Putin would prefer Trump.

Your thoughts?
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posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 02:04 AM
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a reply to: banjobrain

Because Barack Obama and John McCain are the same devil. They both like triangles.


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posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 02:09 AM
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From what Ive seen and read John McCain is no hero.

He was flying bombing missions safely from his plane, indiscriminately carpet bombing huge swaths of territory and then when shot down helped the enemy by making propaganda videos.

Your a hero when you defend your homeland, I cant think of a word low enough to describe people who travel overseas to kill others because their Gov was worried about a political ideology that was literally no threat to the people of the USA.

As for why did they lie, why did they lie about Iraq's WMD's?
Why do they lie about half the crap they lie about?
Im not sure why but it seems to have something to do with wars and resources, thats my best bet but as an outside chance Ill go with TPTB are all satanists and pitting us decent humans against each other is a form of ritual sacrifice to appease Satan or Moloch or whoever.

The simple undeniable truth is our Governments lie to us on a daily basis about pretty much everything

Oh and they dont like Trump and saying that ISIS hacked Hillary just wouldnt have flown especially since Trumps platform included coming down hard on ISIS.

So take your pick, to perpetuate a constant state of war or war readiness (we need an enemy) or to discredit Trump as hes not part of the inner circle or "The Plan"



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 02:12 AM
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a reply to: banjobrain

YOU ASKED..
"Why do so many people think the CIA, FBI and the NSA are lying about Russia? Why would John McCain, a man who fought, bled and was tortured for this country, also perpetuate the lie? "


Are you saying that John McCain thinks the CIA, FBI, and NSA are "lying" about Russia's hacking? It's quite the opposite. He's totally with them. In fact, Republicans John McCain and Lindsay Graham believe the Intelligence agencies and are so angry at Russia that they're willing to trigger World War III over Russia attempting to affect our elections this past November.

These two men have a lot of pent-up frustration for some reason.. and want to VENT it, even if it means the end of the world as we know it.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 02:52 AM
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a reply to: banjobrain

I question how a guy who has seen the evils of war and was a prisoner of war would become such a war monger. I have no respect for John McCain. He has lead the charge on many overseas conflicts. His life was saved, yet he has no problem putting our young men and women into harms way. This is the same guy who hugged a Syrian rebel who supports the terrorist group Al Qaida. The same rebels who killed a Syrian soldier cut out his heart and took a bite out or it! If these are the type of friends John McCain keeps, Arizonians should of kicked him out of office a long time ago!!!

If John McCain was elected back in 2008, without a doubt, I believe we would have been at war with Iran.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 02:52 AM
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Where is the proof Russia agents hacked the DNC. All we hear is "trust us, RUSSIA did it". that is pure propaganda. John McCain, the man who meet with the leader of terrorist group ISIS. Sorry if i don't believe a word that comes out of John McCain mouth. History has shown us our government has no problems at all lying to the American people. (Saddam has WMD's)

It's all fine and dandy for AIPAC to screw with our elections. If you don't sign AIPAC "Loyalty Agreement", they will make it very hard for you to raise money for your campaign.

The reason Trump won is because American people were sick of the Clinton's corruption. Trump also said what millions of Americans were thinking already. We want a President that will finally do something about all the illegals in this country, not make it easier for them to stay here and make anchor babies.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 03:10 AM
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Because.... they are part of the push for globalization.
Because Americans have just pointed the ship on a different course and there are some unhappy people. Brexit put England on a new course....and other nations seems set to do the same.
A lot of time. money and effort went in getting America on the path to globalization and they will do anything they can to prevent us from being sovereign.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 03:10 AM
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Because it is in the interests of the powers that be to continue this suicidally aggressive stance towards Russia.

They don't want peace, they don't want reconciliation, they want war.

The people are wising up to their games though. We saw this again and again in 2016. Their days are numbered.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 03:10 AM
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originally posted by: Zimnydran
Because.... they are part of the push for globalization.
Because Americans have just pointed the ship on a different course and there are some unhappy people. Brexit put England on a new course....and other nations seems set to do the same.
A lot of time. money and effort went in getting America on the path to globalization and they will do anything they can to prevent us from maintaining our sovereignty.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 03:13 AM
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originally posted by: banjobrain
I have a pretty simple question.

Why do so many people think the CIA, FBI and the NSA are lying about Russia?

Why would John McCain, a man who fought, bled and was tortured for this country, also perpetuate the lie? Didn't many of YOU vote for him back when??? John McCain has stated he thinks it is an act of war...

Why on Earth would career Republicans work so hard at perpetuating a narrative that could impact their own party?

I can't come up with a good reason, but I can come up with many reasons why Putin would prefer Trump.

Your thoughts?


McCain is probably jumping on the bandwagon like so many of our other incompetent and stupid buffoon senators, and they do it in a non-partisan fashion quite often like this. For the last 15 years they have all pretty much gone full retard in most everything..



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 03:23 AM
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a reply to: Echo007

There is probably a trusted someone working at the top of the Russian government who is Anti-Putin. To say this would put his life at risk, thereby terminating that valuable source of information. That is what I sense when listening to Intelligence personnel and Senators answer your question. TV News interviewers pose this question to them constantly.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 03:41 AM
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After this Mc Cain has to do what he is told and that's the end of it.liberalscumbuster.wordpress.com... estal/ That's what happens when you wet start your jet for a laugh.


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posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 04:00 AM
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McCain has always had a war bonner over something.

The stupid old man needs retiring to a old peoples home,
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posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 04:12 AM
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John McCain.... war hero.
While other pilots ran their missions and returned to base.... his skills were such that he got shot down and captured.
John McCain.....senator
Sitting by as mexicans walk right across the border of his state like they own the place
Yet for some reason he considers himself to be qualified to point fingers and deem others unworthy.
Failure of a soldier, failure of a politician.....and now a living insult to the American voter.

Mr.McCain it is better to be thought an idiot...... than to open your mouth and remove all doubt



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 04:52 AM
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originally posted by: banjobrain
Why would John McCain, a man who fought, bled and was tortured for this country, also perpetuate the lie? Didn't many of YOU vote for him back when??? John McCain has stated he thinks it is an act of war...
Your thoughts?


How would his stance benefit his state?

Source: Arizona is Home To More Than 1,200 Aerospace & Defense Companies




posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 05:49 AM
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It's all about oil and gas. Qatar wants to build a pipeline through Syria to export natural gas into Europe. Russia views this pipeline as an existential threat:


RFK Jr. @ EcoWatch
The proposed pipeline would have linked Qatar directly to European energy markets via distribution terminals in Turkey which would pocket rich transit fees. The Qatar/Turkey pipeline would have given the Sunni Kingdoms of the Persian Gulf decisive domination of world natural gas markets and strengthen Qatar, America's closest ally in the Arab world. Qatar hosts two massive American military bases and the U.S. Central Command's Mid-East headquarters. The EU, which gets 30 percent of its gas from Russia, was equally hungry for the pipeline which would have given its members cheap energy and relief from Vladimir Putin's stifling economic and political leverage. Turkey, Russia's second largest gas customer, was particularly anxious to end its reliance on its ancient rival and to position itself as the lucrative transect hub for Asian fuels to EU markets. The Qatari pipeline would have benefited Saudi Arabia's conservative Sunni Monarchy by giving them a foothold in Shia dominated Syria. The Saudi's geopolitical goal is to contain the economic and political power of the Kingdom's principal rival, Iran, a Shiite state, and close ally of Bashar Assad. The Saudi monarchy viewed the U.S. sponsored Shia takeover in Iraq as a demotion to its regional power and was already engaged in a proxy war against Tehran in Yemen, highlighted by the Saudi genocide against the Iranian backed Houthi tribe. Of course, the Russians, who sell 70 percent of their gas exports to Europe, viewed the Qatar/Turkey pipeline as an existential threat. In Putin's view, the Qatar pipeline is a NATO plot to change the status quo, deprive Russia of its only foothold in the Middle East, strangle the Russian economy and end Russian leverage in the European energy market. In 2009, Assad announced that he would refuse to sign the agreement to allow the pipeline to run through Syria “to protect the interests of our Russian ally."


John McCain receives money from Saudi Arabia:


Bloomberg
A nonprofit with ties to Senator John McCain received a $1 million donation from the government of Saudi Arabia in 2014, according to documents filed with the U.S. Internal Revenue Service.


Hillary Clinton received cash from Qatar:


Reuters
The Clinton Foundation has confirmed it accepted a $1 million gift from Qatar while Hillary Clinton was U.S. secretary of state without informing the State Department, even though she had promised to let the agency review new or significantly increased support from foreign governments. Qatari officials pledged the money in 2011 to mark the 65th birthday of Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton's husband, and sought to meet the former U.S. president in person the following year to present him the check, according to an email from a foundation official to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign chairman, John Podesta. The email, among thousands hacked from Podesta's account, was published last month by WikiLeaks.


On the other hand Trump's Secretary of State Nominee, Rex Tillerson, has oil deals with Putin that are being held up by the current sanctions:


The Guardian
While the other leading candidates for the job held largely traditional and adversarial views on Russia, the outgoing chief executive of Exxon Mobil has a history of close business ties to Putin, who bestowed the Order of Friendship on Tillerson in 2013.The Wall Street Journal reported: “Friends and associates said few US citizens are closer to Mr Putin than Mr Tillerson.”

The 64-year-old Texas oilman spent much of his career working on Russian deals, including a 2011 agreement giving Exxon Mobil access to the huge resources under the Russian Arctic in return for giving the giant state-owned Russian oil company, OAO Rosneft, the opportunity to invest in Exxon Mobil’s operations overseas.

Tillerson is also friends with the head of Rosneft, Igor Sechin, a former interpreter who worked as chief of staff for Putin when he was deputy mayor in St Petersburg in the mid-1990s. Sechin, sometimes described as the second-most-powerful man in Russia, is now under US sanctions. He has said that one of his ambitions is to “ride the roads in the United States on motorcycles with Tillerson”.

The 2011 Exxon-Rosneft agreement was frozen when sanctions were imposed on Russia in 2014, following the annexation of Crimea and covert military intervention in eastern Ukraine. Exxon Mobil estimated the sanctions cost it $1bn and Tillerson has argued strenuously for the measures to be lifted.


None of this is about partisan politics, it's about control of natural resources. Trump doesn't care about you, either did Hillary. They don't want to use the Government to govern, they want to use it to secure money and power.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 06:07 AM
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Where is the proof Russia agents hacked the DNC. All we hear is "trust us, RUSSIA did it". that is pure propaganda.


Are you saying that the Russian government is incapable of doing something that the President Elect says any fourteen year old can do? That's pure Russophobia, thinking Russians are stupid and/or incompetent. Russia got exactly the results they wanted:




John McCain, the man who meet with the leader of terrorist group ISIS.


No, he met with men with beards whom Russian state media falsely identified as ISIS leaders. That's pure propaganda.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 07:06 AM
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HRC is/was selling tech secrets and other things to China etc and needs someone to blame. If you are really interested in understanding current events, you really need to be watching George Webb's mindblowing open source investigation into the Clinton Foundation.

It's on youtube and it's called "Where is Eric Braverman?" This is the largest and most unbelievable open source investigation EVER. Be a part of it...

Start at about Day 60 (If you don't know who Eric Braverman is, he's the ex CEO of the Clinton Foundation. He went to the New York Times with this stuff but they wouldn't do anything about it.

He's now been missing for 77 days.




posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 07:14 AM
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Why McCain and others hate Russia, may be the channelers has some answer to that. They claim that Russia has become the leading country with BRICKS etc alliance against NWO, FBI, CIA and MacCain. But I think partly CIA and FBI are no more on NWO side and partly is. The ET channelers even explain that while the NWO people are cooperating still by reptilians, Putin has separated himself already from them and is getting now help from Pleiadians who are the benevolent ones.

Who knows what but Putin seems to have lots of common sense these days.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 07:21 AM
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Has it ever occurred to you that the "ET channelers" may be channeling Russian propaganda?




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