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Shari'a Fellowship Launched by Harvard University for the 2017-2018 Academic Year.

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posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 03:55 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

So how would Shari'a be compatible with modern western societies when in every nation where Shari'a is the rule there is no equal rights between men and women?

How is Shari'a compatible in western society?



Sharia is directly incompatible with western society.

That said, I approve thoroughly of the Fellowship launched. Why? Because while I am staunchly anti-Islam when it comes to politics and governance (finding them to be incompatible with civilisation) I am pro-academia, and this is an entirely valid thing to study at the academic level.



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posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 06:26 AM
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Why is a university even wasting $5000 a month on such useless bull#?



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 06:32 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I read a piece the other day titled "Five Differences between Sharia and Old Testament Law" It is available in PDF but can be read here www.equip.org... buffer

Although numerous politicians, reporters, and Muslim organizations assure concerned Westerners that the actions of ISIS, Boko Haram, al-Qaeda, al-Shabab, and the Taliban have little or nothing to do with Islam, anyone familiar with Islam’s most trusted sources knows that beheadings, terrorism, and the sexual exploitation of female captives were practiced and promoted by Muhammad and his companions. Hence, challenging the actions of terrorist groups ultimately requires challenging the teachings of Islam. But there is a difficulty for Christians who oppose violence committed in the name of Allah.
The Old Testament contains harsh punishments similar to those found in the Qur’an and the Hadith,1 and the wars of Joshua bear some resemblance to the wars of Muhammad and the “rightly guided” caliphs. How, then, can Christians condemn the attacks carried out by ISIS without thereby condemning our own scriptures? Are we simply being inconsistent? In this article, we will consider five important differences between sharia (Islamic law) and Old Testament law. Before we discuss the differences, however, we should take note of the similarities that lead to charges of inconsistency.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 07:40 AM
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Just one more thing for President Trump to put an end to.

Keep this confined to Islamic or Religious studies, where it belongs.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 08:12 AM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

So you can't admit that the sponsors of the actual religious-based laws in America are Christians?

Then who are the politicians and bureaucrats pushing the various "religious freedom" laws, anti-Sharia laws, anti-LGBT laws, bathroom laws, anti-pornography laws, attempts to put 10 Commandment monuments on public land, education related laws to promote intelligent design instead of evolution, etc? It sure isn't American atheists. And it sure isn't American Muslims, who have virtually no political power.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 08:22 AM
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originally posted by: wtske
They are talking about developing new policies for American society based upon making concessions to Islamic law. I am sure there is some legitimacy to this, after all, it is good to know what you're up against, but that policy development is a little concerning.
I don't believe I saw them say that in your quote.

...fellows support the development of policy papers at the intersection of Islamic law and relevant issues of US policy.

I think it's a pretty good idea to construct a knowledge base on the intersection of Sharia Law and US policy. Might help to avoid a few wars just knowing how not to piss in the (halal) pickles for a change.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 08:28 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewok
Why is a university even wasting $5000 a month on such useless bull#?


Because that is what universities do.

Or, rather, should do.

The concept of university - once conceived as a center of intellectual freedom and exploration - has been subverted into a glorified trade school. It's a terrible shame.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 09:29 AM
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originally posted by: EvillerBob
The concept of university - once conceived as a center of intellectual freedom and exploration - has been subverted into a glorified trade school. It's a terrible shame.

Well...depends on the school.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 09:40 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse


That's wonderful...especially the way the view women..he feminist let's see how vocal you are in this arena..bet you won't hear a peep out of them...that goes double for the LGBQTI group. Pretty sure Sharia Law has something to say about that too...

Careful what you wish for people

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1. The
mosque and state are not separate.

To this day, Islamic nations that
are deeply rooted
in shariah, like Iran and Saudi Arabia, do
not adequately separate the two realms, giving a lot of power to courts and
councils to ensure that legislation does not contradict the Quran (never mind
whose interpretation).

Most of the laws listed below come from this confusion.

Back-up article:
Mosque
and State

2. Jihad
may be waged against injustice or an unjust nation, as Islam defines the terms.

Classical texts say Islam is justice, and no Islam is injustice.
Therefore, a “just war” can be waged against a nation or people who do not
submit to Islam.

Yet we are told in the 1990 Cairo Declaration of Human
Rights, which is based on shariah, that humane rules must be followed (Article Three)
.
Does that article offer hope
that modern Islam can move past old Islam? Maybe.

However, the Quran, sacred traditions, classical law, and
historical Islam contradict or balance out some elements in Article Three.
Would there be a conflict between the old Islam and modern Islam, if war broke
out? Many Islamic clerics
issue fatwas
(religious rulings) to wage jihad.

Back-up
articles: Jihad
and Qital
and
The Early Muslim Community and
the Sword.

3. Jihad
may be waged to spread Islam and force conversions — a holy war.

Waging jihad to spread Islam and force conversions is a perfect description of
“holy war.” See Quran 8:39, 9:5, 9:11-12, 9:14, and 9:29; and then see 9:33; 61:9
and 48:28.

Yet, we have been told for
many years now that holy wars and forced conversions were never done in Islam. That’s
a myth imagined by Westerners.

However, read those
verses and click on the back-up articles:

Back-up
articles: Jihad
and Qital,
The Mission of Muhammad and the
Sword, and The Early Muslim Community and
the Sword.

4. A
captive in jihad may be executed, enslaved, ransomed for money, exchanged for
other prisoners, or released freely.

Quran 47:4 and 33:25-27, 4:24 says those things (and the
last option — free release — is positive). Yet we are
told that in a jihad today everything must
be done humanely and justly.

However, the
back-up article, this fourth item, and the next four items in this list balance out that
claim. Would there be a conflict
between old Islam and
modern Islam, if war broke out?

Back-up
articles: Jihad
and Qital
and Slavery

5. A
woman captive of jihad may be forced to have to sex with her captors (now
owners).

Quran 4:24 and
especially the sacred traditions and classical law allow this. The sacred traditions
say that while out on military campaigns under Muhammad’s leadership, jihadists
used to practice coitus interruptus with their female captives.

Women soldiers fighting terrorists today must be forewarned of the danger.

Back-up
articles: Jihad
and Qital
and Slavery

6. Property
can be destroyed or confiscated during jihad.

Quran 59:2 and 59:5 discuss those rules. Sacred traditions
and classical law expand on the Quranic verses. Modern Islamic law officially
improves on the Quran: see Article Three of
the 1990 Cairo Declaration of Human Rights, which is nonetheless based on
shariah, but it outlaws wanton destruction of property. Would there be any conflict
between old Islam
and modern Islam in a war today?

Back-up
articles: Jihad
and Qital and The Quran and the Sword

7. Jihad
may be waged to collect spoils.

Quran 8:1, 8:7, 8:41, and 48:20 show this clearly. Early
Islam followed the old Arab custom of raiding caravans, but as its military
grew, the raids were elevated to jihad. The spoils of war were coveted. Which Islam
would prevail in a war today — the old one or the modern one?

Back-up
articles: Jihad
and Qital and The Quran and the Sword

8. A
second-class submission tax, called the jizyah,
must be imposed on Jews and Christians (and other religious minorities) living
in Islamic countries.

Quran 9:29
offers three options to Jews and Christians: (1) Fight and die;
(2) convert to Islam; (3) or keep their religion, but pay a tribute or
submission tax, the jizyah, while
living under Islam.

In Islamic
history, vanquished Jews and Christians became known as dhimmis. This word appears in Quran 9:8 and 9:10, meaning a
“treaty” or “oath,” but it can also mean those who are “condemned” “reviled” or
“reproved” (Quran 17:18, 17:22; 68:49). The word “submission” in Quran 9:29 can
also be translated as “humiliation,” “utterly humbled,” “contemptible” or
“vile.” It can mean “small” as opposed to “great.”

Islamic nations today still seek to impose this second-class religion tax.

Back-up
articles: Jihad
and Qital and The Quran and the Sword

9. Slavery
is allowed.

It is true that freeing slaves was done in original Islam
(Quran 5:89 and 24:33), and the Quran says to be kind to slaves (Quran 4:36),
but that is not the entire story.

In addition to those verses, Quran 4:24, 23:1-7; 33:52 allow
the institution. Muhammad owned slaves, even one who was black (so says a
sacred tradition). He was militarily and politically powerful during his later life
in Medina, but he never abolished slavery as an institution.

Officially,
Islamic nations have outlawed slavery (Article 11, which is still based on shariah). That
proves Islam can reform on at least one matter. Can it reform on the other
shariah laws? And we are told that “no other nation or religious group in
the world treated slaves better than the Muslims did.” The back-up
article and next two items in this list contradict that claim.

The legacy of slavery still runs deep in Islamic countries even today.

Back-up
article: Slavery

10. A
male owner may have sex with his slave-women, even prepubescent slave-girls.

See Quran 4:24 and 23:1-7; but it is classical law that permits sex
with prepubescent slave girls and describes them as such. Some Muslim
religious leaders and others still advocate this practice, taking the slaves as concubines (though sex
with prepubescent slave-girls is another matter).

Back-up
article: Slavery

11. Slaves
may be beaten.

That’s what sacred traditions and classical laws say. See Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of
Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery

Back-up
article: Slavery

12. Apostasy
laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on anyone who leaves
Islam (an apostate).

Normally this is a prescribed punishment, but it is also
political, since it is about freedom of religion. Surprisingly the Quran does
not cover punishing apostates down here on earth, though in the afterlife they
will be punished. Does this modern Islam can reform old Islam? Quran 4:88-89,
9:73-74, and 9:123, read in that sequence, might deal with earthly punishments.
Mainly, however, the sacred traditions and classical law permit harsh treatment
for anyone who leaves Islam.

Islamic courts and
laws still impose these
punishments today,
or religious scholars today argue for the law.

Back-up article: Freedom
of Religion

13. Blasphemy
laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on critics of Islam
or Muhammad.

These verses should be read in historical sequence, for they
show that as Islam’s military power increased, the harsh treatment of mockers
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posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 12:45 PM
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I think it's a good idea to study how/if western cultures can work with Sharia. Maybe it's not possible and the only solution is war. I think it's worth looking into.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

If all that is so important then why did the site shut down after Obama got it? You actually believe that site wasn't just some campaign propaganda site?



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 05:16 PM
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a reply to: the2ofusr1

Did you read the part in which Jesus Christ became the Christian messiah and called for a stop to the old ways from the old testament?

Jesus Christ wasn't a raider, he didn't take slaves from raided caravans as slave-wives. He didn't behead the men who surrendered, and he didn't call for the spread of Christianity through the sword.

The last and only messenger of Allah did raid caravans, he did take women from the raided caravans as slave-wives, he did behead the men from caravans he raided, and he did call for the spread of Islam by any means necessary, including using force/the use of the sword.

That's the difference between Christianity and Islam.

Both in the name of Christianity and in the name of Islam atrocities were committed. But the reason why there are so many Muslim extremists is because Mohammed was an extremist, meanwhile Jesus Christ wasn't an extremist.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
That's the difference between Christianity and Islam.

Islam's not a bad deal ... if you're a dude.

When you hear a guy ... and I mean a dude who has nothing but contempt for feminism : almost pukes at the thought of homosexual delight : one who cackles at the lack of common sense in progressive mindset : who looks at the history of Socialism/Communism and defines it as failure ... tells you there is no foundation beneath the floor of Islam save death and eternal damnation

Well ...



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 05:58 PM
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What a joke Harvard university has become since they have been lining their pockets with the house of Saud funding for years.

Sharia law have not room in any society that practices democracy and in which women have rights

Sharia cult clash with Americas constitutional laws making sharia impossible to be established in the US in any way or form without amending the constitution of the US.

So with that say Sharia is a cult and anybody advocating for it should be put in jail for human rights violation, special women and children rights.

As under sharia underage female children can be enter into marriage contract with adult males. In America that is call exploitation of children and the men involved into such practices are considered pedophiles



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 06:10 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I understand what you are saying and agree as well .I would go further then you but what is the point . There is a true and because of that true there is a false . Its the wheat that is to grow up with the tares . Should we pull the tares out ? Jesus says no ...Vengeance is mine says the Lord , I will repay . At best all we can do is try to live with the ills of this world weather politicians neighbors or family members for that matter . People becoming educated about a thing are better equipped to argue against it ,if they choose.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 06:14 PM
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a reply to: the2ofusr1

I agree, people educated about the evils of Sharia as a practice in a nation of laws like ours will help people fight against any part of Sharia that could be allowed into our society.

But when you have this universities taking funding from rich middle eastern countries in the pursue of Islamic studies in the US you know that is an agenda behind the such call studies.

Everything will be sugar coated in order to sell their agenda.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 06:17 PM
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Don't see a problem.
As long as any law is passed in the right way through the right channels then people or communities can discuss what laws should be all they want.
It only becomes a problem if Muslim communities are allowed to apply their own laws within their communities, with the law of the land looking the other way. Unfortunately that is what the Muslim community leaders will be pushing for in a couple of years.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 06:48 PM
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a reply to: marg6043

Oh I know what you are saying but even a evil intention can be hijacked and turned into something good . And vise versa .Its the separation of church and state that is the tether that holds those evil intentions in check . smart bunch of people that came up with that one .



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