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Has Russia defeated the USA?

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posted on Jan, 8 2017 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: banjobrain

originally posted by: GreyScale


Actually, the true evil is Progressivism. Pretty much every Democrat, a majority of Republicans (Yes, McCain is a Progressive) and a complicit media have, for over a century, been changing America into what they want. Which is a Hegelian utopia of complete governmental control over the citizenry. Cradle to grave control of everyone by wise and "benevolent" leaders is the goal. We've lived through progressive "solutions" such as the Square Deal, New Freedom, New Deal, Fair Deal, New Frontier, Great Society and now Hope/Change. What you are seeing now in America is just another push-back from those ideas. Ideas that really have no place in America. Which is the real reason why Trump is now President-Elect.

So, no, we are NOT all Comrades now. DESPITE over one hundred years of the left and progressives trying to make that so.


Oh yeah???

Well they Hegelian dialectic won. We have Conservative Americans believing in Russia more than AMERICANS, regardless of party. You think American liberals are so evil, you would rather believe in a government founded by ex KGB... You need to read more on the Hegelian dialectic because you just proved to yourself that it worked, and that they beat us comrade. Amen


I guess you really missed the point of my post. What I was pointing out is that BOTH parties are being run by progressives, for progressives. That the Democratic party was taken over first by them doesn't matter.

I'll give you a free history lesson of the terms you are throwing about without understanding their meaning or history.

For instance, liberalism and conservatives. And Franklin D Roosevelt, Progressive.

Before the 1930's, liberalism hadn't been a term used to describe any political group in the United States. But FDR couldn't really use the term Progressive because it was too closely associated with Wilson (Progressive) and failed third-party efforts. It also was being identified with German philosophy (rightly so... Hitler was a progressive). So FDR just rebranded the Democratic party as "Liberal". At the same time, FDR suggested a new word for Republicans: Conservatives. At the time, the term sounded distinctly un-American and out of the mainstream, something like Tory, vaguely monarchical and fascist.

So I just spent a few minutes of my time to point out that you don't even know about the labels you are using. As far as me reading up on Hegel, I'm well aware of his writings and philosophy. I'll include a link for you to start on because you're clueless on the subject as well.

Online Books By Georg Hegel

We don't have people believing in Russia more than America, by the way. We have a bunch of people who think the current bunch in charge is full of crap. Which AGAIN is why Trump is the current President-Elect.

We're not socialist... yet. Despite the best efforts of what appears to be your party. The ones who call someone like you a "Useless Eater." But hey... keep helping them!!!!





posted on Jan, 8 2017 @ 08:18 PM
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posted on Jan, 8 2017 @ 08:19 PM
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Has Russia defeated the USA?


Da.



posted on Jan, 8 2017 @ 08:30 PM
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originally posted by: banjobrain

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
a reply to: banjobrain



Why is cooperating with Russia considered losing?!?!

No offense but the USA is not king of the planet. There was nothing for the US to "lose" against Russia.

People are tired of old people who can't get over cold war mentality.


You can call is cooperating, but in the case of Syria it was giving Russia a virtual monopoly on middle east Oil distribution to Europe and Eurasia. If you understand the US dollar is based upon the sales of oil, you will understand that America might of just undermined it's own currency in a fatal way.

And

how do you know that Putin, who is ex KGB, is over his cold war mentality?

Do you really think after the US sanctions just wrecked their economy, that they are playing nice from their perspective?

All this trust!

Good comrades


Ummm, ya. You think the US should have a monopoly over EVERYTHING!?!??!

There's another sherif in town, buster. You better get used to it. Nobody wants to draw lines and hate anything except terrorists.

If your trying to convince people that Russia is the enemy of the West, your doing a crappie job. Most of the stuff you type isn't even coherent. Your trying to use logic to point Russia as the enemy but there is no logic to support your point.

I think you might just be a troll.

Edit to add:

The point you made about Putin being ex KGB...

I used to be a dr♤g dealer. Now I'm a husband, father and a multi million dollar project manager. Yes I have a mistress too, so Putin is my kind of guy. You give up the life you lived that was cool and acceptable at the time and you use those skill to adapt to a changing world. I don't judge people people for what they did, I judge them for what they do. That same philosophy is why I now have more respect for America breaking the mold and going with Trump than I did for the American that picked neocon after neocon for decades. The past is the past. Let's move on.
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posted on Jan, 8 2017 @ 08:47 PM
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Progressive Liberals have just about defeated the USA. Russia was assisting the normal people of this country. Helped this time.



posted on Jan, 8 2017 @ 08:51 PM
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a reply to: seagull

Nyet,it has temporarily got the upper hand over the forces that hijacked America but they aren't beaten yet,the fight is no longer against nation states but against forces that oppose nation states.



posted on Jan, 8 2017 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: banjobrain
Oh wow! And here I was thinking. I have yet to hear of any state which was nuked recently? I never realized there was a war, how can such a thing go beneath my notice. Wowz me.

Listen dude. Your a bit overdramatic arent you? I am quite sure there are Russian propaganda, but hey there likely isnt a nation or country out there without propaganda, in fact in most places there is propaganda from town to town. I seriously doubt the Russians even bothered much with the elections, in fact considering that it was between Trump and Hillary, why would anybody need to? Hillary's record speaks for itself, so much so that it makes Trumps record look good. Even if they did, why would you set up somebody to become president who is just so easy to paint a target on?

If anything this whole Russia thing is just them responding to propaganda from the west and Nato on the incremental slides both military and by trade agreaments and by propaganda against them and there interests. Why they even started there own new channel RT news I think it is called, to compete with certain western interests and CNN and FOX and there handlers. If anything there not doing anything that they haven't picked up from us.

Your being overdramatic, you got to look on the bright side, competition is a good thing. Or at lest as long as no punches are thrown, or in this case at least till first nuke sets off. But till then its a good thing.

But then again even then it still may be a good thing, maybe even the nuke part. But anyways the current landscape was created by said current alphabetical agencies and comp, and the current climate it sure would keep such alphabetical groups like all you mentioned above from stagnating. Isn't competition part of the American spirit anyways? Arent you being un-American with your belligerent whining?

Are you going to cry in the corner now that the big bad pro Russian various outlets made you feel bad? Because they wrote a better editorial piece then your guys did. Oh so sad. But you know to take anything your read or read online deadly serious may not be good for you, in fact I think more then one president in the past have commented on taking anything you read to serious. In fact some have proclaimed that it is best to believe nothing you read and only half of what you see. Even the founding fathers, well at least they knew a thing or two about the dangers of believe and the whole propaganda thing.

But anyways, so much melodrama. Maybe I will look again at this once nukes fly, would be less melodrama then. Melodrama! That drunk halfwit cousin of Drama, so full of hot wind, and exaggerated poses.

Besides everybody know that Kazakhstan is the greatest country in the world. This whole Russia vs USA holds no water to that.



posted on Jan, 8 2017 @ 09:31 PM
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A country doesn't defeat another country if their military is still standing. So no.

It is either merge peacefully, remain neutral peacefully or conquer and destroy.



posted on Jan, 8 2017 @ 09:39 PM
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originally posted by: banjobrain

originally posted by: 3daysgone
a reply to: banjobrain

Are you referring to the pipeline that is coming from Saudi up to and through Syria? The one that the Syrian leader and Russia actually are opposed to? What the war in Syria is really about? The pipeline that Obama is for. That would cripple the Russian economy.


I am talking about the Russian pipeline, the other one Obama was against, the Iranian one. Just a week ago, Qatar and Russia signed a deal which was going to be the Obama pipeline, now it looks like the Iranian pipeline will merge with the ill fated Obama pipeline, which is gonna be Russian. Guess who stops supplying to Europe? Guess who starts supplying to Europe now?
Guess who's economy is dependent on oil transactions being conducted in their currency???

Guess who loses???

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Who?



posted on Jan, 8 2017 @ 09:40 PM
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originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: banjobrain

Democrats overwhelmingly supported Iraq war and patriot act. The GOP was voted against this year, they were opposed to Trump, the Right at least attempts to fix their mistakes. The Left doubled down with Hillary.

Let's not forget Obama re-authorized the patriot act, and expanded wars into Libya, syria, Yemen, and Pakistan.


Lets not forget the only reason Obama had the bill on his desk was because the GOP controlled House and Senate sent it to him.



posted on Jan, 8 2017 @ 09:55 PM
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originally posted by: GodEmperor
Your fallacy is the same pitfalls of every empire before.

Expanding it's reach too far, unsustainable, and inevitably collapse.

If you cannot see that, it's a shame, if you do, I have to question your motives.


I am not sure how America's empire is my fallacy, but I'd have to agree that the American model is unsustainable in the way we have been conducting ourselves. I just see a whole lot of evidence that Russia has designs on coming up and using the US
as a stepping stone. Especially and specifically using our hyper partisanship to achieve their goals.



posted on Jan, 8 2017 @ 09:59 PM
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originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: banjobrain

Maybe you should check out a thread I posted a while ago, it might help you in some desperately needed understanding:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Cool thread, thanks.

I have my money on Russia doing the setup and then China will come in for the kill.



posted on Jan, 8 2017 @ 10:06 PM
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originally posted by: WilliamtheResolute
a reply to: banjobrain

I think it's time to interject a few facts and a little truth into this OP. Sam Hale on the American Thinker website summarize this entire issue quite succinctly:

"First of all, it's pretty clear Russia did not hack the DNC. There's been a lot of whining and zero evidence, and it's clearly the establishment GOP and the Democrats making a desperate attempt to delegitimize Trump to save the status quo.

But let's say Russia did the hack. Three important points:

1) The DNC is not part of the United States government. Throughout the primaries, when Sanders and Trump were getting shafted, we heard constantly that the political parties are private organizations. A hack on the DNC is not at all different from a hack at KFC for the secret recipe. It is similar to the hack on Sony that may have been done by North Korea. This is not a national security issue.

2) Everything WikiLeaks dropped was true. If NBC, ABC, FOX, and CBS will not tell us the truth regarding our political parties, why would it be wrong for a foreign power to tell the American people the truth? It is so pathetic – they're making the claim that Russia violated our national security by telling Americans the truth. If the Russians made the hack on the DNC, give them the Medal of Freedom; they exposed a pack of corrupt liars who almost took control of our government.

3) Does anyone think for a second were not doing the same stuff to the Russians? We've done much worse in several countries. In Nigeria, Obama worked with David Axelrod to campaign against the incumbent president to help get a Muslim elected. In Israel, the Obamas desperately campaigned against Netanyahu. We've done much worse than this purported hack to other countries – why are we crying the blues when a foreign power embarrasses Hillary?"




Well, when a writer uses the word WHINING to discuss this particular issue I immediately detect that what follows is rife with partisanship.

I wonder why you and Sam and the rest of the comrades reckon the GOP wants to "side with the democrats and/or awful Hillary and the awful dark skinned Muslim communist illegal?" I couldn't resist after reading the rhetoric...


Anyways, it makes absolutely ZERO sense that the GOP and Republicans would make this up, like less than zero.

Do you really reckon that the GOP just decided to join Obama for fun???


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posted on Jan, 8 2017 @ 11:45 PM
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a reply to: AceWombat04

Great post!

I think peoples minds are so taken by partisan calculations that it is now a real liability to the US, and I think Russia knows exactly how the American partisans and media will act. Trump and his ego will have to double down on his support and trust in Russia, and the Trumpeters will follow him to the gates of hell, and tell you hell is cold and pleasant simply to save face.
Meanwhile Russia has a pass for a while because Trump and his gang are all but obliged to stay the course and blame the whining liberals, George Soros and crooked Hillary Clinton when criticism of Russia and Trump cascade. I doubt our country will be able to react or respond in a cohesive manner because truth has been replaced with a level of hyperbole that is completely contrary to reality. It has been that way for a while, but I think it has been so distilled that our new President is the embodiment of it. You can trust it, and set your watch by it.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 12:07 AM
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originally posted by: GreyScale


I guess you really missed the point of my post. What I was pointing out is that BOTH parties are being run by progressives, for progressives. That the Democratic party was taken over first by them doesn't matter.

I'll give you a free history lesson of the terms you are throwing about without understanding their meaning or history.

For instance, liberalism and conservatives. And Franklin D Roosevelt, Progressive.

Before the 1930's, liberalism hadn't been a term used to describe any political group in the United States. But FDR couldn't really use the term Progressive because it was too closely associated with Wilson (Progressive) and failed third-party efforts. It also was being identified with German philosophy (rightly so... Hitler was a progressive). So FDR just rebranded the Democratic party as "Liberal". At the same time, FDR suggested a new word for Republicans: Conservatives. At the time, the term sounded distinctly un-American and out of the mainstream, something like Tory, vaguely monarchical and fascist.

So I just spent a few minutes of my time to point out that you don't even know about the labels you are using. As far as me reading up on Hegel, I'm well aware of his writings and philosophy. I'll include a link for you to start on because you're clueless on the subject as well.

Online Books By Georg Hegel

We don't have people believing in Russia more than America, by the way. We have a bunch of people who think the current bunch in charge is full of crap. Which AGAIN is why Trump is the current President-Elect.

We're not socialist... yet. Despite the best efforts of what appears to be your party. The ones who call someone like you a "Useless Eater." But hey... keep helping them!!!!



I really disagree that both parties are being run by progressives by progressives. People here on ATS were saying that back in 2005, the Bush was really just a liberal progressive, but then those same people would defend him as a conservative Republican in a different thread. I think this is a game or a psychological thing that conservatives do because I have read this same theory posited by at least fifty other posters for over a decade now. To me, and I can only guess, it seems like a way to cover your bases and explain away things when it serves you or the particular argument. Otherwise I reckon conservatives, Republicans or whatever you want to label them are dreadfully stupid and inept, why would they constantly
promote and elect progressives election after election? If you all knew in 2003 Bush was a progressive, why on Earth did you elect him again? And if you were confused again, why do you guys all flock to Fox News if they keep convincing you to unwittingly and unknowingly vote for so called "progressives"? I mean you have opened a rabbit hole, but in the past I have gone down there and its where bulls leave their business, no rabbits to be found.

I think this is exactly the sort of twisted ideology that the Russians see as a weakness in the American political system and that is part of my point. You guys may not say you are for Russia, but the firm insistence that the entire US government, media and intelligence community is lying gives Russia cart blanche to use your insistence, partisanship and pigheadedness to their advantage. But really it is much worse than that because Americans are developing two entirely separate world views and this makes us blind and stupid as to the reality unfurling around us.

I will add, that by my calculation, Trump is ACTUALLY a progressive in some ways, much more so than Bush, Cheney, McCain or Romney for that matter. You guys in this case have actually been fooled and it might be the first time I buy the notion that you guys voted for and backed a secret progressive.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 12:09 AM
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originally posted by: Gothmog
Progressive Liberals have just about defeated the USA. Russia was assisting the normal people of this country. Helped this time.


The human centipede, nice to meet you lol



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 01:12 AM
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a reply to: banjobrain

Have you read the intel released report. It was a recycled report from 2012 and you expect us to buy it. I think your blind faith is extremely dangerous. The framers said to always question the government.



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 01:31 AM
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originally posted by: amfirst1
a reply to: banjobrain

Have you read the intel released report. It was a recycled report from 2012 and you expect us to buy it. I think your blind faith is extremely dangerous. The framers said to always question the government.


Ok, then explain to me why are Republican politicians are backing up this recycled report and this false narrative?

One could turn it on it's head and say YOU are backing the government, just a different faction.

But tell me, what motives do the government have, especially high ranking Republicans to continue with this elaborate lie?



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 02:30 AM
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a reply to: banjobrain

Congress is bought and paid for to a large extent by the military industrial complex which since Vietnam hasn't been about winning wars but maximising profits Trump has said no more foreign takeovers which puts him in about the same position as Kennedy in 1963,you may wish to watch Oliver Stones JFK it covers this sort of material well about the people that hijacked the Republic and their reasonings



posted on Jan, 9 2017 @ 12:12 PM
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originally posted by: banjobrain

originally posted by: chadderson
a reply to: banjobrain

The republican establishment which includes McCain is complicit too. These are the folks that were anti-Trump before he won the nomination.

The lie does not affect Trump's ability to lead, thats how. The liars are the losing side. They are losing their stranglehold on power by the day.

I am happy and proud to see that Russians think like I do. I am happy to have more people on my side to fight the evil.


Unfortunately we are all losing, and that is what I am saying. This wedge that we have here, the fact that you believe in Russia more than the official proclamations of the country you are a citizen of shows that we are in serious trouble. Think beyond the little four year election cycle and party politics, and you will see we are done. Your faith in the American system has been undermined and now you will only believe it when it serves your view, rendering the whole thing useless.

That is the point of propaganda, exactly where you are at, and exactly where I am at. Americans have become American's worst enemies, game set, match.



Actually we WERE losing, soon we will be winning.

Nobody told those at the top of the DNC to lie to the public. We know their lies because of the wikileaks. Obama and Clinton and those they surrounded themselves with underminded our faith in them.

The only view we wanted is America first in America. Their view has been nothing but Globalism first at the cost of ALL North Americans. (U.S and Canada)




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