a reply to: GodEmperor
You admit there is not enough evidence to prove Russian involvement.
No. The publicly available and discussed forensic evidence from the hacks points to specific threat actors and years of compiled evidence points to
those threat actors being Russian state-sponsored.
That's without knowing what the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc have in terms of human int, additional forensic evidence, etc.
You are also pointing out, that unsecure networks are vulnerable. Ok. Are you in favor of draconian cybersecurity measures that ultimately is
the responsibility of the individual who should be securing their own files.
No, I am not in favor of draconian cybersecurity laws. Why are you trying to create a false dilemma? It's not either or. I'm for investigating crimes
of the conventional non-cyber varity but I'm against warrantless searches. Do you see those two positions as diametrically opposed too? I'm going to
The NSA was caught in acts of widespread surveillance, including German leadership. Either you are wholly against this type of act, or you only
oppose it when it's not coming from the US.
Stuxnet was allegedly from the US, should there be repercussions for Stuxnet even though there is not enough evidence to prove US
I'm against spying on our allies. I'm not against sabotaging Iranian centrifuges. Another false dilemma? I'm also not a big fan of war but that
wouldn't stop me from fighting in one to protect myself, my family and my country.
Why is it so imperative to convince the public, the Russians hacked the DNC? What is the purpose, why can't remedies be done without all the
It's a particularly nasty dynamic. Throughout the campaign, there were a number of red flags of various degrees of concern:
- Trump & Putin openly fawning.
- Trump's own moronic off the cuff (and I assume joking) comment: "I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find
the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press."
- Trump being surrounded by pro-Kremlin advisors while Manafort, who'd just come back from spending 10 years as the chief political advisor to the
deposed Ukranian despot and Putin lapdog (Yanukovych), was his campaign manager.
- Trump foreign policy advisor Carter Page making trips to Russia to meet with Russian officials and in the same trip, making decidedly
pro-Kremlin/anti-US gov remarks in a speech.
- Russian officials saying that several members of the campaign staff had been in regular contact with Russia.
- Trump appointing Lt. Gen Michael Flynn as his National Security Advisor.
- Trump selecting Rex Tillerson for Secrectary of State
- Trump's various comments about relations with NATO allies.
- Trump's comments about the annexation of Crimea
- Russian politicians claiming that not electing Trump would lead to WW3
- Russian state-run media going all in for Trump
Now we have Trump's very obvious reluctance to acknowledge what US intelligence agencies are confirming that had already been widely believed by the
majority of cybersecurity experts. All this is happening in the context of ongoing sanctions against Russia following the annexation of Crimea which
ended a 5 year effort of the outgoing administration to "reset" that relationship.
Can you not see the irony here? Obama & co were all about "let's be friends with Russia" and after years of gestures, Russia tossed all that out when
they violated their own commitments made in the Budapest Memorandum.
Now Trump is blathering about "wouldn't it be nice to be friends with Russia?" like we didn't just go through all this s# only to have Russia prove
that they're not really all that concerned with being friends after all.
It's not any one thing, it's the entire picture.
We've been told for years by the same folks who make up a big part of Trump's support — and Trump himself — that Obama saying "terrorist" instead
of "Islamic terrorist" is keeping us from dealing with terrorism. Not only does Donald Trump not want to say the words "Russian hackers," he and his
supporters don't even want to discuss the elephant (bear?) in the room at all.
All PE Trump has to do is come out and say that he believes it's very likely (he doesn't even have to say he's positive) that Russia was behind the
hacks. That it's a serious concern of his administration, that they'll continue investigations and take appropriate action. He doesn't even have to
As it stands, he looks like a useful idiot who will facilitate Putin's agenda (or at least be permissive of it) because he's grateful on some level.