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Fort Lauderdale Suspect mind controlled?

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posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:24 PM
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So... a real skunkworks worthy thread.

Here we have an ex guardsman who was stationed in Alaska (which is rumored to have been a MK-Ultra site) fly to Fort Lauderdale and kill people one after another without saying anything in a dissociative like state from descriptions.

This could be simple mental illness. But it does have some of the hallmarks of past MK shooters. After he was done he just sat down and waited for police.

I'm not sure what political motivations could be used from this particular killing so it's probably just bad mental health. But I know I'm not the only one on this site thinking about this angle.

ATS is probably the only place that will look at this angle of the shooting.

R.I.P for all the victims of this horrible tragedy.



A GUNMAN who shot dead five people and injured eight others at a Florida airport “had walked into an FBI office claiming he was being forced to fight for ISIS”.

He told officials he was hearing voices in his head, some of which were telling him to join ISIS and watch their videos, and was taken to hospital for a mental health evaluation.

Santiago, who also told the FBI the government controlled his mind, gunned down 13 people at Fort Lauderdale airport today, killing five and injuring eight.

The suspect's aunt Maria Ruiz Rivera claimed the alleged shooter "lost his mind" while fighting in Iraq.

His brother said Santiago received psychological treatment in Alaska and had served in the Guard.

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posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:27 PM
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Double post



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:40 PM
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Good thread, as it should be discussed.

According to sources he did have mental issues, outbursts(domestic violence), other. As I shared before: www.abovetopsecret.com...

MSM says he sought mental health.Help for him was dismissed. Another one to fall through the cracks or used for an agenda due to that? There is court docs being shared on him(not sure if I can share here) sharing his anger issues(domestic violence) for example.
One Source
The source also mentions he was investigated for child porn but due to non evidence it was dismissed. Weapons were seized then as by a CBS report.


Before anyone wants to claim I am slandering* or that is slander*, that is reported via law enforcement MSM News-CBS, and court docs about domestic violence. *Right here in the article as shared above.



Psyops apparently pray on those that have pre existing conditions. It would be easier to get out from under being blamed, etc. that way.

To also play Devil's Advocate: Wonder if maybe he's using the ISIS "brainwashing" as some kind of cover for then pending actions.

Was it pre meditated? It seems so considering what current updates are saying. Why else would he fly there with only a gun?

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posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:44 PM
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Compare the pictures of one Esteban Santiago with the picture of Emir Mohamed Sikkim on facebook...well ill be identical twins



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:50 PM
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a reply to: dreamingawake

This is exactly fitting past patterns of many serial killings in many ways. Another aspect of the cover is that no one especially in the media will go there or dare to venture it could be a covert operation. It's just too awful to consider. This one has all the hallmarks of a real dirty deed being done. And not just some lone crazy person all by himself.

Also, these people (CIA deep ops) are masters at all kinds of hypnosis and cover memories with multi layered mental blocks put in. These can take decades for the blocks to slowly unravel to where they can remember key things. People doing any thinking on this at all must know they have taken this kind of science far into the future from what the public can even realize.
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posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 12:01 AM
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They should have been watching him if he claimed ISIS was trying to control him. In a case like that maybe his ability to own a handgun should have been taken away till he recovered. The police could have held onto it for him till he got help and straightened out, or given the gun to a relative that was trustworthy.

I am not against restricting guns from people who are having problems like that, but when they are straightened out, then they should get their rights back. There was evidence of a possible mental breakdown there.



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 12:02 AM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: dreamingawake

This is exactly fitting past patterns of many serial killings in many ways. Another aspect of the cover is that no one especially in the media will go there or dare to venture it could be a covert operation. It's just too awful to consider. This one has all the hallmarks of a real dirty deed being done. And not just some lone crazy person all by himself.

Also, these people (CIA deep ops) are masters at all kinds of hypnosis and cover memories with multi layered mental blocks put in. These can take decades for the blocks to slowly unravel to where they can remember key things. People doing any thinking on this at all must know they have taken this kind of science far into the future from what the public can even realize.


To what purpose though?

As a catalyst for gun control? Not likely seeing as Trump is coming into office and opposes gun control.

As a catalyst for more Big Brother state control? Possible seeing who Trump is loading his office with.

Other? What do you think?


In discussion of past possible MK shooters here on ATS there has been obvious reasons for the shooting. This one doesn't seem as obvious, at least with what little we know at this point.



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 12:03 AM
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originally posted by: pianopraze
...kill people one after another without saying anything in a dissociative like state from descriptions.


Do you have any of those witness descriptions?


Signs of MK Ultra mind control would be a 'vacant, blank' stare on his face during the shooting.

Afterwards, he will be unable to explain why he did it.

He may not even remember it, or may describe an out-of-body type experience where he is looking at himself do the deed, but can't control it.

Look at his psychiatrist. That's usually the one doing the mind-controlling. A perfect cover, when you think about it.



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posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 12:04 AM
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a reply to: pianopraze
There is a United Nations arms treaty before congress at the moment if passed the UN circumvents the second amendment



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 12:05 AM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
I am not against restricting guns from people who are having problems like that, but when they are straightened out, then they should get their rights back. There was evidence of a possible mental breakdown there.


I agree it looks like mental break.

But if it wasn't maybe you just hit on what they are aiming at... to take away guns from Vets, a great many of whom are seen for mental health problems from service.



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 12:10 AM
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originally posted by: starviego

originally posted by: pianopraze
...kill people one after another without saying anything in a dissociative like state from descriptions.


Do you have any of those witness descriptions?


Signs of MK Ultra mind control would be a 'vacant, blank' stare on his face during the shooting.

Afterwards, he will be unable to explain why he did it.

He may not even remember it, or may describe an out-of-body type experience where he is looking at himself do the deed, but can't control it.

Look at his psychiatrist. That's usually the one doing the mind-controlling. A perfect cover, when you think about it.


They were on news radio all day... hannity broadcast, and others.

Here's from fox: link




"It was very surreal," John Schlicher, a witness, told Fox News. "He did not say a word." He described the shooter as a slender man with dark hair, wearing a Star Wars T-shirt.


I know some of the farther out MK_ULTRA sources say Star Wars is one of the "programing" paths used (like Wizard of Oz) in mind control.



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 12:17 AM
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originally posted by: pianopraze

originally posted by: rickymouse
I am not against restricting guns from people who are having problems like that, but when they are straightened out, then they should get their rights back. There was evidence of a possible mental breakdown there.


I agree it looks like mental break.

But if it wasn't maybe you just hit on what they are aiming at... to take away guns from Vets, a great many of whom are seen for mental health problems from service.


A lot of those mental health problems do not make them a threat to society. But unfortunately, some might be a problem. It would have to be determined on an individual basis. I do not see a problem with letting them have a hunting rifle to go hunting with unless there is a serious problem.

On the other hand, I do not want to see all of our vets needing to go see a shrink all the time. That would rile them up even more. Most of the Vets are not a threat and actually are good in society because they would protect others from criminals. Of course they are not promoting this about our veterans, they want us to look at all of them as possible threats.



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 12:24 AM
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a reply to: pianopraze

Yeah, it kinda does sound fishy. Not to be callous, just realistic, the story we're being fed is that this idiot was national guard or military. He expended 3 clips, I presume 9mm or 40 cal and had a hit rate of roughly 33% and a kill rate of about 12%. Condolences to families and victims of course. However, why was this retard in anything military when he has an obvious accuracy problem and I am glad he was a crappy shooter. Was he really military? Almost seems like he was pulled out of a list of mental cases, given a gun and told to go create havoc.

Cheers - Dave



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 12:27 AM
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originally posted by: pianopraze

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: dreamingawake

This is exactly fitting past patterns of many serial killings in many ways. Another aspect of the cover is that no one especially in the media will go there or dare to venture it could be a covert operation. It's just too awful to consider. This one has all the hallmarks of a real dirty deed being done. And not just some lone crazy person all by himself.

Also, these people (CIA deep ops) are masters at all kinds of hypnosis and cover memories with multi layered mental blocks put in. These can take decades for the blocks to slowly unravel to where they can remember key things. People doing any thinking on this at all must know they have taken this kind of science far into the future from what the public can even realize.


To what purpose though?

As a catalyst for gun control? Not likely seeing as Trump is coming into office and opposes gun control.

As a catalyst for more Big Brother state control? Possible seeing who Trump is loading his office with.

Other? What do you think?


In discussion of past possible MK shooters here on ATS there has been obvious reasons for the shooting. This one doesn't seem as obvious, at least with what little we know at this point.


I know a lot of these incidents point to gun control. There's been discussion. Such as FL has a pending gun control bill. That could include gun control that affects veterans. Especially if it is ruled that the shooters actions had to do with are related PTSD.

Also, there's a UN one. The other side might be that a call for more control with travel, ie TSA and airport travel slowed by those who are not on the fast track and do not have Real IDs. To say it may be a further push for Real ID as many states are still holding off and being penalized for it(such as Washington State).
Under Real ID Act, Licenses from 9 States Won't Work at Airport in 2018
Source

I've seen others bring up this may have been a planned, but failed hit, on Trump. If not an assassination attempt may have been another plan against him.
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posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 12:48 AM
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I didn't think anything of it at first, but some people started pointing out how this shooting is a conveniently timed distraction from the Chicago torture/hate crime situation.



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 12:52 AM
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If what I am reading is correct?,

He was a Army reserve that has served a one year tour as a engineer, he returned and then got a position as a member of the Alaskan army national guard.

My understanding of even basic applications for these positions would be a in depth look at his mental state, in my job roles I have had certain scenario based exams that looks for the smallest thing that could be linked to any mental health issue.

It looks as though whatever has happened to this young man has happened to him whilst he was stationed in Alaska. Add to that the fact he has stated he was under a Psyop and f#ck me we have a serious situation that needs to be looked at. The fact he is still alive is a massive bonus to at least gain some information but I have zero inkling that any of this will come out via the MSM.

It could very well be he has schizophrenia and that the signs where not picked up during his military vetting?, it could also be something way darker.. As normal there seems to be a few coincidences going on,

www.theguardian.com...


RA



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 12:58 AM
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originally posted by: pianopraze

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: dreamingawake

This is exactly fitting past patterns of many serial killings in many ways. Another aspect of the cover is that no one especially in the media will go there or dare to venture it could be a covert operation. It's just too awful to consider. This one has all the hallmarks of a real dirty deed being done. And not just some lone crazy person all by himself.

Also, these people (CIA deep ops) are masters at all kinds of hypnosis and cover memories with multi layered mental blocks put in. These can take decades for the blocks to slowly unravel to where they can remember key things. People doing any thinking on this at all must know they have taken this kind of science far into the future from what the public can even realize.


To what purpose though?

As a catalyst for gun control? Not likely seeing as Trump is coming into office and opposes gun control.

As a catalyst for more Big Brother state control? Possible seeing who Trump is loading his office with.

Other? What do you think?


In discussion of past possible MK shooters here on ATS there has been obvious reasons for the shooting. This one doesn't seem as obvious, at least with what little we know at this point.


Just because Obama is leaving office, doesn't mean his influence is over. Clintons. The bush dynasty, who his policies largely supported.

It's clear that there is an internal power struggle within many organizations of our overfunded rotting government. The question is, who is on which agenda.

If the cia spooks are answering to someone paid off, this could very well be yet another staged attack to promote anti freedom laws.
See, if they have a small death toll today, followed by a large one a year from now, it makes any changes between now and then look like the cause- especially when you control the media who is supposed to report it.

This looks staged. My gut says that it is.
They even put it on a posted gun-free zone, just like the others. Doesn't help their agenda, but nobody following the official story cares about that- only the opposition noticed, and supporters are blinded by the concept that gun free zone signs don't stop criminals.

Mark my words, there will be a high casualty shooting (75+) in the next three years, and it will be coordinated, planned, and executed by rouge portions of our broken US government, and it will be followed by a huge, well funded push for either gun control or foot soldier war on a communist country.



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 01:08 AM
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That is a horrifying possibility. Someone close to me was in the military during the huge Novel H1N1 scare, and before they announced to the public that they had developed a vaccine, they inoculated all the soldiers with it...but not via injection.

They had a nasal mist. According to the CDC, the only vaccine was an IM injection, and the supply was critically low. There was no such thing as a nasal mist then...not even for the "regular" flu virus. Yet every soldier received it and it was mandatory, and they had 48 hours to comply.

When he got up there for his turn, he took the mist but didn't really aspirate it. It was really busy in there so the tech didn't notice it, so he went round the corner and blew his nose. He didn't want that stuff going into his bloodstream. He said he had a bad feeling about it.

Well...this is pretty unsettling because I was reading some material on MK-Ultra...sorry I don't remember specifically which site...recently, and they were talking about implants that could somehow interface with the brain and be used to control a person, like a puppet. And they said one of the most common delivery methods is via a nasal mist or spray...the subject aspirates the spray high up into the sinus cavity and this tiny device gets sucked in with it.

It gets creepier...this person reported for duty the following day, and a whole lot of soldiers were at sick call. They were experiencing dizziness, severe headaches, ringing in the ears, nosebleeds and had a metallic taste in their mouths. One friend had the metal taste for more than two weeks straight.

The person who blew it out never got sick. He never showed any symptoms...but every single one of his colleagues did. And none of these soldiers were being deployed...they were in AIT. All stateside. Yet they received an alleged critically scarce, novel vaccine via a delivery method that wasn't supposed to be possible at the time.

It is really frightening to think that something so malevolent could be done to people...particularly the people who have sworn an oath to protect us. That they could what...be just activated, like a robot?? Just walking along in daily life and boom...they suddenly get switched on and just go do whatever they're told to do? Super soldiers? Man oh man...that is the stuff of nightmares. Seriously.



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 01:11 AM
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originally posted by: lordcomac


This looks staged. My gut says that it is.
They even put it on a posted gun-free zone, just like the others. Doesn't help their agenda, but nobody following the official story cares about that- only the opposition noticed, and supporters are blinded by the concept that gun free zone signs don't stop criminals.

Mark my words, there will be a high casualty shooting (75+) in the next three years, and it will be coordinated, planned, and executed by rouge portions of our broken US government, and it will be followed by a huge, well funded push for either gun control or foot soldier war on a communist country.



All good points, and speaking of your gut saying something is wrong:

There is always the Parking Garage... which was totally downplayed.

While on air today, one of the eye witnesses was calling or skyping right from the scene. After the initial shooting was over they suddenly were ordered to get down and he said there was gunfire coming from the Parking Garage.

Others verified they saw police rushing towards the Parking Garage....

But then later they said nothing happened.

So what went on there? Left me highly suspicious.



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 01:16 AM
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a reply to: tigertatzen

4th and 5th dimension technology wiolawa press developed a way to photograph it they got taken down but there is a back up site out there somewhere this is technology only the watchers and the top of the tree use its not commonly known of,this website had a gallery of every major world leader at the time with this garbage in their head.



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