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F-16 dogfighting a SU-27P over Groom Lake

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posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 03:17 PM
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A recent post in the Aviationist Blog theaviationist.com... has shown some pretty good still images of an F-16 engaged in a mock dogfight with a SU-27P. The images are not crystal clear since the air frames in question were at FL30.


You don’t happen to see a Su-27 Flanker dogfighting with a F-16. Here are the amazing photographs taken near Groom Lake, on Nov. 8, 2016, U.S. election day. The photographs in this post were taken from Tikaboo Valley, near Groom Lake, Nevada, by Phil Drake, who was lucky enough to observe a Su-27P Flanker-B dogfighting with an F-16, presumably one of the four Groom Lake based -D models in the skies of the famous Area 51. Although the quality of the pictures is low (the aircraft were flying between 20K and 30K feet) they are extremely interesting since Flankers operating from Groom are not a secret (they have been documented in 2003 – 2004 and more recently between 2012 and 2014) but have rarely been photographed. theaviationist.com...


Pretty cool pictures and apparently the Flankers are pretty camera shy as most planes are at Groom.




posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 03:29 PM
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Geez. Air force. SMH.

Go out of plane. Make the geometry a little more complex. Come on.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 03:38 PM
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Always love to see pictures like this. Flankers are damn sexy. I especially enjoy the photo of them passing each other as well as the photo of them turning.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 03:46 PM
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Nice stills of head to head pass during mock engagement.

No gun camera footage, heads up display or radar signature data?

Knock it off, knock it off... return to base.

Edit: US got hold of SU 27s from Ukraine, according to liveleak.





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posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: FredT

There are two that may have wound up in Air Force hands. They were reportedly bought by one of the civilian Red Air companies, and underwent conversion, but the last time I looked at the Red Air companies, they weren't listed in their aircraft inventory.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: FredT

Very nice find!

I would absolutely love to have a high resolution poster of the picture of the flanker with the moon in the background. Amazing shot.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 04:31 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

I have a stupid question. What is a Red Air company? Is that slang for Russian?



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 04:38 PM
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a reply to: Natas0114

Sometimes their aircraft are painted in Russian markings, but not always. They fly foreign aircraft, or retired US aircraft and operate as aggressor aircraft against US military units. They usually fly using foreign tactics, such as ground controllers telling them everything going on, etc. They're used to train pilots against other types of aircraft, so you don't always have F-16s against F-16s or F-18s.

The term Red Air was used for Soviet at one point, but the military uses Red Force for any opposing Force in exercises. Blue Force is used for friendly forces.




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posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 05:45 PM
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originally posted by: Natas0114
a reply to: Zaphod58

I have a stupid question. What is a Red Air company? Is that slang for Russian?

Red Threat, Red Force, Red Flag, Red Army, "Reds"... commies, Cold War slang for communists, i.e., from USSR (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) then and now, simply the Russians. Nothings changed as far as who the west (NATO) considers the ultimate enemy to be. They practice, drill and prepare for war with the Russians.

Is, was and always shall be.

Times article from the 80's
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posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 06:42 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Yeah the Aviationist and a few of the blogs I follow seems to indicate that they have been there since 2009 (or 2007) depending on who you read.

I admit I did not consider the possibility of them being owned by a contractor. That being said Its not a huge revelation since we have been flying them out there for some time aka HAVE DRILL and HAVE DONUT



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 06:44 PM
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a reply to: FredT

Yeah, 2008-2009 is about right. We lived in a small town in Alabama around then and they flew over us after conversion doing test flights. We moved to another town around 2009 or so. I'd have to check with the other half to get exact time frames.
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posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Natas0114

Sometimes their aircraft are painted in Russian markings, but not always. They fly foreign aircraft, or retired US aircraft and operate as aggressor aircraft against US military units. They usually fly using foreign tactics, such as ground controllers telling them everything going on, etc.



From our Nellis trip in 2007






posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: FredT

Have you seen the new splinter scheme? I'm thinking of delaying our run into California some this weekend. We have to go through Vegas and there's a truck stop right under the pattern for Nellis. I want shots of the new Aggressors.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 07:01 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: FredT

Have you seen the new splinter scheme? I'm thinking of delaying our run into California some this weekend. We have to go through Vegas and there's a truck stop right under the pattern for Nellis. I want shots of the new Aggressors.


I have not as of yet. Yeah there is a great spot outside of Boron, CA that is in the flightpath of Edwards too depending on where you are going after Nellis and its not that far from there to Plant 41 (And the Church from Kill Bill Part2 if your a fan)



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 07:03 PM
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a reply to: FredT

Yeah, we occasionally go by. The last time we were there Ghost and a C-12 were doing touch and goes at Plant 42. We were getting loaded about 10 miles away or so.

When we go by Edwards, we also go by Mohave witch has interesting things too. The Fry's 747SP just went into storage, and White Knight was out one day.
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posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 07:05 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

What year did they go to it?


From 2014


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posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 07:12 PM
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Last year. They only have s couple right now. They also have the T-50 shark scheme planned.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 07:13 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: FredT

Last year. They only have s couple right now. They also have the T-50 shark scheme planned.


Sweet I assume you will post it up if you catch some of them?



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 07:17 PM
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a reply to: FredT

Yeah, I will. They're pretty.

www.acc.af.mil...



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 09:18 PM
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a reply to: FredT

Definitely 2009, around August. We moved out of that place around September, and they went over not long before we moved. But we were only in that place part of 09. They did the conversion in Georgia and were testing over the high speed corridor.



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