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The Globalist Plot to Destroy America

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posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 10:56 AM
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a reply to: interupt42

I absolutely agree with your analysis. I view G.W. Bush with the same disdain I reserve for Obama. I took this position from a Conservative stand point to play the devils advocate. I am a fiscal conservative but far more Libertarian in my social views




posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:06 AM
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Central control of the world was tried by the Romans back two thousand years ago. That didn't work well, it can only work if there are two classes, peasants and elite. Elite can only be about two to three percent of the mix, so most people who want this do not understand they will be peasants under this plan.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:07 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

If Obamacare gets repealed and costs go down, perhaps the 30 million uninsured will be able to afford insurance.

The idea that government forces people to buy insurance is wrong to begin with.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:08 AM
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I have a lot of respect for teachers and educators. However, our educational system is overrun with liberals, especially those at the university level. Why? I don't know. I tend to think it is because more liberals go into education, whereas conservatives tend to go into the fields they actually study.....something like the old saying, "those that can DO, those that can't TEACH".

I don't buy into that 100%, but it does have a ring of truth to it. Those teaching the future teachers who, in turn, will be teaching our students are imparting their flawed ideology, imo. Decades of this have resulted in poor performance, snowflake attitudes, and delayed adolescence, imo. Good parenting counter balancing the flawed information from liberal teachers is the only antidote.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:08 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: WilliamtheResolute

We have 30 million uninsured in this nation. Of those that are insured a decent number are complaining about their premium/deductible. Clearly people have an issue getting access to healthcare.

The less said about education the better. We have people dying before being able to pay off their student loans despite making regular payments. And of course student loans don't disappear with death they just pass on to next of kin.

A Conservative majority Congress is about to spend billions of dollars repealing a law that provided insurance to 20 million people. At the same time they're going to spend billions of dollars on a wall that will essentially just end being a gigantic monument to waste.

And you really want to say that the Left are the problem?


First, Obamacare was the great lie. You can keep your insurance, your doctor and your premiums will decrease by $2500 a month for the average family....while the guys writing the plan were laughing at us in the back room. Obamacare is nothing more than an attempt to destroy one of the finest healthcare systems in the world. Millions of people have insurance because millions of Americans are paying higher and higher premiums to buy it for them....Progressive Socialist redistribution.

Secondly, the reason people are struggling under school debt and it is being passed on to their families is directly connected to the Clinton Presidency...as a favor to Wall Street Clinton made school debt the only item that can't be discharged by bankruptcy...another Progressive gift.

Finally, building a wall on the border is nothing more than a 21st century WPA Project that may or may not need to be done. We have laws to deal with the border, we just need to enforce them.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:10 AM
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a reply to: WilliamtheResolute




I agree that creeping Totalitarianism is not specifically a leftist issue other than the fact that MSM media is owned by corporations that are actually part of the Totalitarian state….Free the media!



Totalitarian state...BS Could I see some evidence other than anecdotal of this "totalarian state"

The MSM are Capitalistic enterprises to make money for the stockholders in the various production companies. It's free enterprise; a platform to hang advertising on.

I too signed the oath and you are the problem, not the solution with your attempts to tear the Nation apart.
edit on 6-1-2017 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:15 AM
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originally posted by: ugmold
a reply to: WilliamtheResolute
Ya no division in that pile of rhetoric. Go sit on a stick.


Sorry man....Bernie was robbed.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:16 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Those 30 million didn't have insurance prior to the ACA. What do you think Congress can do to drop the cost of premiums/deductibles so low that those people will suddenly be able to afford insurance?

And what happens to those who are now able to get insurance thanks to the preexisting condition clause? People keep saying that's something we should keep without actually explaining how it would be funded. The individual mandate funds the preexisting condition clause. There's a reason the insurance companies refused to cover people with preexisting conditions prior to the ACA. They lose money. The individual mandate allows them to recoup those losses.

If you want to keep the preexisting condition clause while getting rid of the individual mandate one of three things must happen. 1.) The insurance companies take a hit and operate at a loss to cover them. That won't happen. 2.) Everyone's premiums go up to cover the costs. That pretty much means a repeal of the ACA is worse than pointless. It actually makes things worse. 3.) The premiums of those with preexisting conditions skyrocket. Preventing those with preexisting conditions from affording insurance. Which means that there might as well not be a preexisting conditions clause. Leaving us where we started except everybody still has higher premiums.

I mean, do you really think the insurance companies are going to cut into their profits and lower premiums just because the ACA is gone?



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:18 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: WilliamtheResolute




I agree that creeping Totalitarianism is not specifically a leftist issue other than the fact that MSM media is owned by corporations that are actually part of the Totalitarian state….Free the media!



Totalitarian state...BS Could I see some evidence other than anecdotal of this "totalarian state"

The MSM are Capitalistic enterprises to make money for the stockholders in the various production companies. It's free enterprise; a platform to hang advertising on.

I too signed the oath and you are the problem, not the solution with your attempts to tear the Nation apart.


I wish I lived in the land of denial....but I keep waking up. Thanks for your service.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

At this point, I don't care.

I pay 3 times as much because I am paying for other people.

And I'm sick of it.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: WilliamtheResolute
"liberalism is a mental disorder"

Y'know, I know plenty people who say the same thing about conservatives. Me, I see this as a problem. You can't have any kind of meaningful discussion when you believe anybody who thinks differently than you is crazy and stupid.

But whatever. I'm not going to change anybody's worldview, so have fun.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Xcalibur254

At this point, I don't care.

I pay 3 times as much because I am paying for other people.

And I'm sick of it.

Without the ACA you'd be paying 3 times as much just because health insurance was increasing at an absurd rate before the ACA was passed, and it has been doing that for the last few decades.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Bull.

prove it.

Source it, stop pulling crap from your ass.

Everyone is paying more because government set the artificial prices so damned high that hardly anyone could afford heath care without governments help.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:26 AM
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Liberalism is a mental disorder and it has infected our nation, look at the Democrat controlled inner cities, they are shambles. Detroit is a wasteland, Chicago resembles a third world country with its' level of violence.



The left will boast at how Progressive Socialism is a superior system, how Capitalism is unfair and oppressive. We would not be living in an age with our current levels of technology and comfort, without Capitalism. Socialism is the death of civilization, collapse does not occur overnight it becomes the slow rot of death.


Let me clue you in to a few things. Violent crime and property crime rates have been going down nationally and not just for years but decades. There are some very specific factors behind the collapse of rust belt cities like Detroit.

Detroit grew around jobs in industries that no longer support those jobs. The reason that those jobs don't exist isn't "progressive socialism" (whatever the hell that means) but rather successful free market capitalism. Capitalism *is* great at what capitalism does. Replacing costly, unreliable and error prone human labor with automation is exactly the sort of thing that makes manufacturers more competitive.

There's nothing more capitalist than offshoring jobs to exploit the cheap labor provided by people who will work for a fraction of the money of first world workers in conditions first world workers would consider hellish.


Our schools need to be reformed by teaching civics, and non-revisionist American and World history.


You may be right because apparently you've gotten a really piss poor education in both history and economics.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:29 AM
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I know you'll tell me this source doesn't count but here you go:
The truth about healthcare premiums: They'd be a lot higher without Obamacare

An important new study by Loren Adler and Paul Ginsburg of the Brookings Institution adds another key factor. Their finding is that, even with an expected spike in premium increases for 2017, rates are still lower than they would have been without the Affordable Care Act. They calculate that premiums would have to rise by more than 44% for next year to approach where they would have been given the pre-ACA trend line. In fact, Adler and Ginsburg are being conservative — they calculated a rise of 5% a year from pre-ACA rates, even though the actual annual increases ranged from 11.7% in 2010 to 7-8% in 2011-2013.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:31 AM
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originally posted by: subject x
a reply to: WilliamtheResolute
"liberalism is a mental disorder"

Y'know, I know plenty people who say the same thing about conservatives. Me, I see this as a problem. You can't have any kind of meaningful discussion when you believe anybody who thinks differently than you is crazy and stupid.

But whatever. I'm not going to change anybody's worldview, so have fun.


I understand the sentiment and the last thing I wish to do is create more discord. The problem still lies in the fact that only one side of the argument is ever presented by the MSM and it appears to be scripted by the government and handed to the newsreaders for dissemination. There are two sides to every story and the average American is being spoon fed propaganda. It would be refreshing to hear both sides of an argument or news story without one side acting butt hurt and shutting off because they were triggered.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:34 AM
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a reply to: WilliamtheResolute

Well it would be nice if the other side didn't just start off by straight up insulting their intelligence before saying anything else. Nothing makes people hunker down on their sides faster than unprovoked attacks. You make all these claims towards civility and coming together yet your OP is just a straight up partisan trash attack thread. I didn't even read much of it because I'm disgusted by your attitude.

ETA: If you have to include a goddamn "trigger warning" at the beginning of your thread then you are off to a wrong start with your approach.
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posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:34 AM
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And that will remain the case without massive healthcare reform. We're talking either regulations that span the entire healthcare industry. From insurance companies, to Big Pharma, to manufacturers of medical supplies, to hospitals and doctors' offices. The other option is universal healthcare. Of course the party in charge have issues with both these solutions.

So have fun blaming Obama for your increased premiums for the next 4-8 years. Ignoring the fact that it seems like the ACA will be repealed in Trump's first 100 days.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:36 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

You can pull all the sources you want that justify Obamacare, it still doesn't make it a fact.

The only facts now are that people are paying more for less after Obamacare.

Things have gotten worse.

And you want to double down on a crap deal.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:37 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Damn that LA Times. Despite the Right championing them for the entire election because they were the only poll that had Trump ahead they're clearly a liberal rag.

I also came across this source. I'm sure it will be dismissed as well.

Slower Premium Growth Under Obama



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