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Planned Parenthood Just Responded to Paul Ryan's Threat to Defund the Health Organization

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posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 06:42 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu



A general welfare clause is a section that appeared in many constitutions, as well as in some charters and statutes, which provides that the governing body empowered by the document may enact laws to promote the general welfare of the people, sometimes worded as the public welfare. In some countries, this has been used as a basis for legislation promoting the health, safety, morals, and well-being of the people governed thereunder.
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The United States Constitution contains two references to "the General Welfare", one occurring in the Preamble and the other in the Taxing and Spending Clause.
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Consequently, the Supreme Court held the power to tax and spend is an independent power and that the General Welfare Clause gives Congress power it might not derive anywhere else. However, the Court did limit the power to spending for matters affecting only the national welfare.
en.wikipedia.org...




posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 06:42 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Teikiatsu

If a hospital allows it's O.R. to be used by authorized doctors to perform abortions, which most non-Catholic hospitals do, does that mean that you think the hospital shouldn't be able to recoup the Medicare reimbursement of another person's knee surgery? That's your Planned Parenthood (il)logic. Doesn't make much sense.






Medicare is not a federal mandate or responsibility. None of the above. Getting the hint?



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 06:46 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Teikiatsu



A general welfare clause is a section that appeared in many constitutions, as well as in some charters and statutes, which provides that the governing body empowered by the document may enact laws to promote the general welfare of the people, sometimes worded as the public welfare. In some countries, this has been used as a basis for legislation promoting the health, safety, morals, and well-being of the people governed thereunder.
...........
The United States Constitution contains two references to "the General Welfare", one occurring in the Preamble and the other in the Taxing and Spending Clause.
..........
Consequently, the Supreme Court held the power to tax and spend is an independent power and that the General Welfare Clause gives Congress power it might not derive anywhere else. However, the Court did limit the power to spending for matters affecting only the national welfare.
en.wikipedia.org...




Ah yes, the General Welfare clause.

Read the Federalist Papers. Study the original intent of the Founders. The Supreme Court got it wrong. It happens. They are not infallible.

'Welfare' in the time of the Founders referred to 'opportunity' and 'independent achievement', not broad-based subsidies. The nation didn't fight a war for independence just to hand these decisions over to new overlords.



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 06:46 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

medicare is part of social security, which is a separate fund, and not even a budget item. of which, the gov't does have an obligation to it, since it was the gov't that borrowed the money that should be in it!



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 06:48 PM
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although most of the colonies had their own little welfare programs going on at the time.



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 07:07 PM
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originally posted by: NotToday

originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: Profusion

Defunding Planned Parenthood...who would have thought this was possible just a couple of months ago. This is isn't even going to be easy to get by many republicans.



Anyone with a working brain saw this coming if the GOP won. Many GOP voters who call themselves "religious conservatives" want this more than anything. Trump was weakening in their ranks until he got up on the third debate stage and lied about abortion to the nation, but it was a rallying cry for the "religious conservatives".


originally posted by: Profusion
I predicted this situation would be greatest political show of our lifetimes, and I sense there will be more twists and turns than we can imagine. Where does it go from here?


Hopefully with the GOP getting the message that most of America doesn't want this as was seen when more people showed up to the poles for Clinton.


What are you gonna do about it, make a sign and chant? We run the show now and we do not want to subsidize your life, most especially your abortions. Change is coming. End of.


What are you, 12? Christ.



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 07:09 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Teikiatsu

If a hospital allows it's O.R. to be used by authorized doctors to perform abortions, which most non-Catholic hospitals do, does that mean that you think the hospital shouldn't be able to recoup the Medicare reimbursement of another person's knee surgery? That's your Planned Parenthood (il)logic. Doesn't make much sense.






Medicare is not a federal mandate or responsibility. None of the above. Getting the hint?


I don't care if you think that no one should ever receive Medicare or not. Your answer has nothing to do with the question posed.

Please answer the question according the today's standards, in which the federal government has entered into an agreement to reimburse for Medicare service to qualifying institutions. Should the hospital in my example be defunded of medical reimbursements?



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 07:10 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Teikiatsu

Abortion is not illegal. We already have the most expensive defense in the world, the military.


Yes we know. But it is not an entitlement, nor is it a constitutional obligation of the federal government. Like defense and military is.

You like abortion so much, *YOU* pay for it.


I would happily pay for a victim of rape to have an abortion if she so wished. Similarly if the woman or baby's health was at risk. It's common decency.



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 07:10 PM
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Deflection, rinse and repeat.



posted on Jan, 8 2017 @ 08:29 AM
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The founding fathers were real democrats. They knew that rights would change as society grew and changed. That is why they set up the amendment process. War is legal, abortion is legal, get over it.

Article Five of the U.S. Constitution

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.



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