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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff
I could have sworn I LIVE in this country and talk to other Americans daily about living here. But I guess those experiences mean dick huh? But hey. Say what you want. I'm not a mod and you have the right too, but your opinion means nothing to me. I'll take a hard core Trump supporter living smack dab in the Rust belt's opinion over your opinion. I think you know nothing about what it is like to live in this country and if you are basing your ENTIRE opinion on the country based on our media propaganda that makes your opinion even lesser in my eyes. At least American Trump supporters have real life examples they can allude to for their opinions.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: dr1234
originally posted by: cavedweller88
a reply to: TruMcCarthy
What hand outs are you referring to? Illegal immagants cannot apply for public assistance.
Yet they can go to public schools, use public resources, etc etc without paying taxes. Undocumented criminals.
This is a conservative lie. Illegals pay more into the system in taxes then they take out in fraudulent welfare claims.
How much do undocumented immigrants pay in taxes?
According to the Social Security Administration, there were nearly 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States in January 2009. Factoring out kids, nonworking immigrants and those working in the underground economy and not paying taxes, the Social Security Administration estimated about 3.1 million unauthorized immigrants who worked and paid Social Security taxes in 2010.
This group and their employers generated about $13 billion in payroll taxes in 2010. The administration then subtracted about $1 billion in benefits that could’ve been received in 2010 from earnings in years when workers were unauthorized. Workers and employers contribute roughly the same amount.
I bet you didn't know that some employers put their illegals on the books so they end up paying taxes. Sure the illegals may use forged paperwork to do so, but paying taxes is paying taxes.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: cavedweller88
Yep! The American taxpayers. That's who will be paying the bill. At the same time all of their nannies and housekeepers and cooks and roofers and lawn-care people disappear. Because stupid.
Trump LIED about Mexico paying for the stupid wall...and now wants MY TAXPAYER dollars to pay for his LIE so he can appear almost honest in building SOME of a wall that will do NOTHING about the problem and PAY-OFF his buddies in construction. Corrupt ...worse president elect ever.
We had a similar issue in Oz and we sorted it by advertising it to Legal tourists, problem more than solved.
I understand the under the table work situation and appreciate most Americans probably wouldnt do the stereotypical immigrant jobs but jobs that are on the books and taxed?
Apparently there are 3.1 million Illegals working in the US on the books, show me that these are crappy unfillable jobs and Ill shut up.
From your post it comes across like you are supportive of business owners taking advantage of illegal workers by paying them less, is that the case?
Thats also the other thing all you "let them in" types seem to forget, by letting them in you are leaving them open to exploitation and also encouraging others to come and expose themselves to all sorts of abuse while making the journey.
If all you people had brains half the size of your hearts you would be more interested in improving their homelands so they have no reason to put themselves in danger and break the law to enter the States
Which issue are you talking about? And how would advertising "it" to legal tourists help? Are you saying your country allows tourists to also have temporary work visas?
This is completely on the employers and the contractors that hire the undocumented workers (like some temp services).
Sorry buddy, but I'm not doing the research for you. Go check whatever place you're quoting for the 3.1 million figure, and if it's reputable, it should give info on those jobs. Though the temp service situation I listed above definitely plays a part in this in my State.
That's simply not true. I absolutely love immigration and have met some amazing immigrants throughout my life. I'm also strongly against the human trafficking system and oppressions of others. It doesn't have to be an "all or nothing" approach.
My solution to the immigration "crisis" revolves more around helping other countries become so economically amazing that their citizens don't feel the need to leave for better opportunities. I'd still love for people to go to other countries; I just don't want it to be from desperation. But that's another conversation altogether.
This is one reason why a lot of people say the Wall debate is based in racism. The Great Wall of Trump will do nothing to prevent or slow down undocumented workers/illegal immigrants from Canada, Europe, Asia, or even your country. It only focuses on Hispanic people & completely ignores the undocumented workers from other demographics.
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: digital01anarchy
Have you seen how much it costs the government to buy a toilet seat? How much do you think 1000 miles of razor wire will cost? Not only that but then there's the extra construction for evenly spaced watch towers along that 1000 miles. And then on top of that you need to hire people to man those watch towers 24/7. Then on top of that you need to buy the equipment that will actually allow those people to their job. We're talking billions of dollars on top of the already estimated $38 billion wall.
That's a lot of money that could be spent on the citizens of the US. If some illegal immigrants reap the benefits as well who the f*** cares? The vast majority of that money is going to help the people of this country. But no! We should instead spend that money on symbolic gesture that politicians say will stop illegal immigrants (it won't) from coming and taking jobs Americans don't want.
It's funny how the Right tries to criticize Obama's employment numbers because the majority of new jobs are service positions. What kind of jobs do you think are going to open when (read: if) this wall gets built and it actually stops illegal immigration (it won't)?
Our agricultural work, we have a whole industry of temporary work visa holders although we just call them backpackers.
Its also on the gov who dont enforce existing laws or deport these people when found, its also on the immigrants themselves who without exception are aware they are breaking the law of the country they have come to. we also have a large temp workforce, works exactly the same way here.
the 3.1 figure was given by someone in this thread who was saying these taxed illegals are doing everyone a favour and benefiting the economy by paying taxes as if Americans in those jobs wouldnt be.
So because you love immigrants its not true? Sorry but it is true, these people make a dangerous journey of 1000's of miles because they know when they get to the US they will be allowed in, a MASSIVE proportion of these people are beaten, robbed, raped or otherwise abused due to their vulnerability, the fear of consequences is removed when you know these people wont report crime due to fear of being deported. Due to your love you may not see it but when you are for people entering illegally you are unconsciously condoning them being taken advantage of because almost without exception this is what happens
Thats exactly what I said just not as eloquently, glad to see we agree on something
Well doing a quick google search shows that more than 60% of illegal immigrants come by land, if the wall stops even half of those or better yet discourages people from making the journey, then its been money, time and effort well spent.
when the illegals are deported legal citizens will take those jobs