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Topic started on 28-1-2005 @ 02:28 PM by rufi0o
Heres an interesting link about how Russia’s space industry is growing rapidly, and what they have planned for the future: www.spacedaily.com...


Topping all this, a number of Russian government and industry officials have expressed guarded optimism their country will mount its own effort to send humans to Mars, sometime around 2015. Nor has this overview mentioned pending launches in 2005 on Russian rockets of cutting-edge solar-sail and space-mirror technologies.


Post what you guys think to this


reply posted on 28-1-2005 @ 04:03 PM by ShadowXIX
Sending a manned mission they better work on getting their probes there in one piece first. Heres a list of their attempts at the Red planet.
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Oct. 10, 1960 1M No. 1 - Mars flyby 8K78/L1-4 Third stage failure at T+300 seconds

Oct. 14, 1960 1M No. 2 - Mars flyby 8K78/L1-5 Third stage failure at T+290 seconds

Oct. 24, 1962 2MV-4 No. 3 - Mars flyby 8K78/T103-15 Fourth stage failure in the low orbit

Nov. 1, 1962 2MV-4 No. 4 Mars-1 Mars flyby 8K78/T-103-16 Failed on its way to Mars

Nov. 4, 1962 2MV-3 No. 1 - Mars landing 8K78/T-103-17 Stranded in the low Earth orbit

Nov. 11, 1963 3MV-1A No. 2 Cosmos-21 Mars flyby 8K78/G103-18 Failed to leave low Earth orbit

Nov. 30, 1964 3MV-4A No. 2 Zond-2 Mars flyby 8K78 Failed on its way to Mars

July 18, 1965 3MV-4 No. 3 Zond-3 Mars flyby 8K78 Photographed the Moon

March 27, 1969 M-69 No. 240, 521 - Mars orbiter UR-500 Exploded at T+438 seconds.

April 2, 1969 M-69 - Mars orbiter UR-500 Failed at T+0.02s.; destroyed

May 10, 1971 M-71 No. 170 Cosmos-419 Mars orbiter UR-500 Failed to leave Earth orbit

May 19, 1971 M-71 No. 171 Mars-2 Mars orbiter UR-500 Orbited Mars

May 28, 1971 M-71 No. 172 Mars-3 Mars orbiter/lander UR-500 Orbited Mars; Lander failed upon landing

July 21, 1973 M-73 No. 52 Mars-4 Mars orbiter UR-500 Failed to orbit Mars

July 25, 1973 M-73 No. 53 Mars-5 Mars orbiter UR-500 Entered Mars orbit

Aug. 5, 1973 M-73 No. 50 Mars-6 Mars flyby/landing UR-500 Flew by Mars, landed capsule

Aug. 9, 1973 M-73 No. 51 Mars-7 Mars flyby/landing UR-500 Flew by Mars, capsule missed

July 7, 1988 1F No. 101 Phobos-1 Mars orbiter UR-500 Failed on its way to Mars

July 12, 1988 1F No. 102 Phobos-2 Mars orbiter UR-500 Failed on Mars orbit

Nov. 16, 1996 M1 No. 520 Mars-96 Mars orbiter UR-500 Failed to leave Earth orbit

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Thats not a good average their batting way below .300

About the ISS oh no wouldnt want the Russian to put up their fair share as a major member of the team. The US has been paying most of the bills for the thing and now that we need Russia to help out they want to charge us. They got a pair on them for that.



www.russianspaceweb.com...

[edit on 28-1-2005 by ShadowXIX]


reply posted on 29-1-2005 @ 04:27 AM by E_T
Originally posted by drfunk
Most American's don't realise the success of the Russian Space Program or now what looks like the beginning of the recovery of the Russian economy because Russia is synonomous with economic failure and having to leech of America for space program funding.
Fact that some big corporations are making big profits doesn't mean their government has money for extensive space program, evading taxes/corruption is tradition in there and profits go to pockets of few (basically capitalism and communism tried there are same, both concentrate power and wealth to few) which are some reasons why their government doesn't have much money.
On commercial launch markets they have good share with their rockets being cheaper than most others, but again I would say it's wrong bet to think profits from that would go to funding of space program... or would be enough to fund it.

Russian space program has been practically near "bankruptcy" for long time. Remember how many interplanetary probes they have sent in last fifteen years. And they have never sent anything farther than Mars. Their only really successful series of probes has been Venera probes send to Venus and some of them are only probes which have landed and returned data from surface despite of hostile environment. (temp ~480 C and pressure ~90 bars, same as in 900 meters underwater)
But all those flight were made before 1985, like most of their Mars flights, after that their interplanetary flights have been rare.

And like tradition goes, they have managed to cause serious contamination of environment.
archive.wn.com...
Toxicity of some liquid fuels used in rockets is such that I would call "capable to detaching shell from bowling ball" as good metaphor.


reply posted on 30-1-2005 @ 08:02 PM by kaiheitain
Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Sending a manned mission they better work on getting their probes there in one piece first. Heres a list of their attempts at the Red planet.
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Oct. 10, 1960 1M No. 1 - Mars flyby 8K78/L1-4 Third stage failure at T+300 seconds

Oct. 14, 1960 1M No. 2 - Mars flyby 8K78/L1-5 Third stage failure at T+290 seconds

Oct. 24, 1962 2MV-4 No. 3 - Mars flyby 8K78/T103-15 Fourth stage failure in the low orbit

Nov. 1, 1962 2MV-4 No. 4 Mars-1 Mars flyby 8K78/T-103-16 Failed on its way to Mars

Nov. 4, 1962 2MV-3 No. 1 - Mars landing 8K78/T-103-17 Stranded in the low Earth orbit

Nov. 11, 1963 3MV-1A No. 2 Cosmos-21 Mars flyby 8K78/G103-18 Failed to leave low Earth orbit

Nov. 30, 1964 3MV-4A No. 2 Zond-2 Mars flyby 8K78 Failed on its way to Mars

July 18, 1965 3MV-4 No. 3 Zond-3 Mars flyby 8K78 Photographed the Moon

March 27, 1969 M-69 No. 240, 521 - Mars orbiter UR-500 Exploded at T+438 seconds.

April 2, 1969 M-69 - Mars orbiter UR-500 Failed at T+0.02s.; destroyed

May 10, 1971 M-71 No. 170 Cosmos-419 Mars orbiter UR-500 Failed to leave Earth orbit

May 19, 1971 M-71 No. 171 Mars-2 Mars orbiter UR-500 Orbited Mars

May 28, 1971 M-71 No. 172 Mars-3 Mars orbiter/lander UR-500 Orbited Mars; Lander failed upon landing

July 21, 1973 M-73 No. 52 Mars-4 Mars orbiter UR-500 Failed to orbit Mars

July 25, 1973 M-73 No. 53 Mars-5 Mars orbiter UR-500 Entered Mars orbit

Aug. 5, 1973 M-73 No. 50 Mars-6 Mars flyby/landing UR-500 Flew by Mars, landed capsule

Aug. 9, 1973 M-73 No. 51 Mars-7 Mars flyby/landing UR-500 Flew by Mars, capsule missed

July 7, 1988 1F No. 101 Phobos-1 Mars orbiter UR-500 Failed on its way to Mars

July 12, 1988 1F No. 102 Phobos-2 Mars orbiter UR-500 Failed on Mars orbit

Nov. 16, 1996 M1 No. 520 Mars-96 Mars orbiter UR-500 Failed to leave Earth orbit

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Thats not a good average their batting way below .300



Yeah but we are stubborn at the least.



About the ISS oh no wouldnt want the Russian to put up their fair share as a major member of the team. The US has been paying most of the bills for the thing and now that we need Russia to help out they want to charge us. They got a pair on them for that.



www.russianspaceweb.com...

[edit on 28-1-2005 by ShadowXIX]


US has lots of money. Russia is broke. Broke person is better negotiator always. ISS is floating piece of # serving no purpose beyond propaganda. Exploration is much more better for numerous reasons propaganda not the smallest of them. Ask anyone who care about ISS orbitting for... how many years now? Ask anywone what ISS is and they look at you funny. Now if people landed on Mars and sent back high video quality you would have people jumping up and down. No one gives crap about ISS.

"Wow it not amazing we float around Earth forever!?"

"Oh gosh no one has done that since 1957!!"

ISS can only make money from Tito guys and one other thing they should put big tansparant plastic bubble and film zero g porn, then they could make money. Beyond that no one care.
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