gods game

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thought i'd share this article with you all - i love this idea and it reminds me of my theory on what the matrix films were all about (but that another very long post).

'god' invents a universe simply to experience itself - good/bad, right/wrong, male/female, black/white etc etc.

u can spend a long, long time (read eternity) thinking/arguing/fighting/agreeing about how everything and everybody you meet is just you because you dont realise that is what you are doing!

This is actually pretty much my take on things. HOWEVER with this theory it must be realized that 'god' can not have consciouness that it exists as itself because it has nothing by which to gage its own existence against. Perhaps that is why it divides itself in order to experience itself through duality, but that reasoning is just too speculative for me. The interesting thing about this is that you can have something with the basic definition of a god and no religion or spirituality attached to it. That being the 'Supreme Force' is merely all of time and space in its purest form of energy. It is the whole of all the water molacules in the ocean.

Originally posted by Jonna
HOWEVER with this theory it must be realized that 'god' can not have consciouness that it exists as itself because it has nothing by which to gage its own existence against.

well this would be deemed an 'unknown' in my eyes. take an example from my matrix theory - we are told that when the matrix was first ceated, a man was placed inside of it who could do with it whatever he wanted. so man = god. he's aware (or not) that he is there and plays around creating whatever he wants - he may have been aware to begin with but over time, 'forgets' himself. he may not have made the matrix himself but was only placed inside in solitary confinement to do as he wished.

whether he was conscious of himself to start with can't be known until the end of the game. in the matrix film - this would be neo = agent smith at face value, but looking into it deeper, neo = agent smith = the oracle = morpheus = trinity = the architect etc

Sorry, I am not following you. Man would equal god only in the same way that a drop of water equals the ocean. Man has individuality or self because there is man and not man.

As far as the Matrix movie is concerned, I don't see the similarity. Why would man remember being god if god could not experience itself through duality? There is no memory to remember. I believe that it is possible to 'connect' to individual things outside of you because you realize or 'feel' the connection that everything is made from the same energy, but in such a case man is not experiencing everything as One. Man is experiencing himself being a part of everything. There is a big difference. It is often refered to as oceanic or the Peak experience.

I suppose, if you really want to dumb down "god" so you can undertand him and make him into our own image

Originally posted by Jehosephat
I suppose, if you really want to dumb down "god" so you can undertand him and make him into our own image

How does that make god in the image of man or for that matter any image? If the 'god thing' is everything as a whole in its purest form and has nothing that is not the 'god thing' by which to define itself then it has no image.

What happens when someone else "all of a sudden realizes" that they are that god and wants you to do something because you are in reality an extension of that someone else?

Originally posted by MemoryShock
What happens when someone else "all of a sudden realizes" that they are that god and wants you to do something because you are in reality an extension of that someone else?

Hu? But person A is only an 'extension' (not that I would use that word) in so much as person B is.

All right! I am beginning to see that people are having problems with this one. Which is fine as it is very foreign to the usual suspects. I can only assume that the issue is with the trappings of preconceived notions of what god is. Let me try it this way.

The theory being presented is one in that god is to man as animal is to a living cell of its own body. That man/cell is not god/animal because it is only part of the whole. You can't take a rock, place it in a vacuum, point and say "There's god". God is all of spacetime WITHOUT division. However once there is division, the energy which contructs everything is made-of-god. So in a sense, man (being made of energy(matter)) is god because without all of gods separate parts as a whole, what was god no longer is god. Just as without all of the animals cells, it is no longer the animal that it was. It is like putting together a car and afterwards realizing that you have left over parts. The few parts are not the car (entity as a whole), but the car can not be itself (the car that it is meant to be) without the parts. I suppose that it is a bit of a paradox, but it doesn't seem it to me.

There is an incredible book called Unified Reality Theory that, while being a bit long winded and repedative, explains how existence came to be through duality and it never even mentions the word god.



[edit on 28-1-2005 by Jonna]

You know, this reminds me of a biblical passage in the NT that talks about how we are one body with many parts. It talks about how some parts do certain things and some parts others and we all serve the whole body in doing its task. The bible, in my opinion, agrees with this theory of God dividing itself into certain things. I think man is a part of God and we are a portion of his likeness. I am still a bit skeptical of what the purpose of all this is. If any of you figure this out so I can move on to just thinking about porno or something.

Originally posted by ben91069
I think man is a part of God and we are a portion of his likeness.

Perhaps the obvious is just hitting me now, but that is an interesting comment. I always assumed that christians meant that their god had the appearence of a man by the 'Made in his likeness' comment and I chalked it up to egotism. HOWEVER, what if the line originally meant that man was made in god's image because man is made of energy and god is energy? It is not man that god looks like, but rather what man is made of. Too bad the bible was revised so many times over the centuries.