Trump: 'Time for Republicans & Democrats to Get Together' on Health Care Plan

a reply to: NotToday

if the poor did not have heathcare, it would bring down society, whereas you think they should just die off.

I personally do not want to explain to my daughter why there are dead bodies on the side of the street. I also do not want their diseases to catch onto healthy people.

More than anything tho, I care for the well-being of all people, even those on hard times and believe that healthcare for all (even free healthcare to the poor) is beneficial to the economy.

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: NotToday

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: NotToday
I don't understand what's wrong with the get a job and pay for your own healthcare plan? Unless someone's disabled or under 18 I don't see the benefit of providing them care if they can't afford it themselves? Hasn't society already made the decision their utility is not worthy of care?

For one, it's not affordable. 40% of the country makes under $10/hour, and a lot of them live in large cities where you have 3 people sharing a 1 bedroom apartment in order to cover rent. You should be able to cover insurance on 10% of your wages, but at $10/hour without taking taxes into account that would only give you a premium of $173/month. Insurance costs more than that.

If it was not affordable how was 85% the population insured the year before Obamacare? I don't think we should subsidize people's poor life decisions and lack of societial worth. There's a reason the US has the best healthcare in the world for those who can afford it and it's not because we limit profit and costs.

The US has the best Healthcare in the world?

Yes, for those who can afford it. The US has the worlds the best hospitals, pharmaceutical industry, and university research system.

a reply to: NotToday

Most expensive != best

Who gives a flip what WHO says? Do you seriously think the US is right behind Saudia Arabia for healthcare? By all means, please go that hell hole the next time you need some major healthcare if you trust in that list so much.

Go look at the methodology and criticisms.

In the real world, those that can afford it come to the US when they need some major healthcare because we have the best and most innovative healthcare in the world. Is it the cheapest? No. But our care is objectively the best.

UK at 18... yet in spite of socialized medicine, they can't keep all their teeth.

a reply to: NotToday

Taking care of your fellow man is what allowed humans to evolve into what they are today. Do you deny that?

Plus, if we deny medical care to the poor it just means we'll see a resurgence in diseases that no amount of money will cure.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: NotToday

Most expensive != best

No - top hostipals in the world, best pharmaceutical industry in the world, and best university research system in the world = best.

Where are top 10 hostipals in the world located?

You ever take medication? Where was the company that developed it from?

What country are the top 5 research universities in the world in?

Cool meme though.

a reply to: NotToday

For the most part I'll give you research universities. There are definitely ones throughout the world that can compete with the US' best but we probably have the highest concentration.

Hospitals I would say is a toss up. We have some of the best in the world but for the most part I'd say they're average at best. Our hospitals are also producing more superbugs than anywhere else in the world.

The pharmaceutical industry is definitely debatable. Countries like Canada, India, and Japan are pumping out comparable drugs for much less money. Hell, we have college students producing drugs for $6 a pill while that asshat Martin Shkreli is selling the same drug for $500 a pill. Not even Viagra is a US creation. That was developed in England.

On the whole, the US is probably at the top when it comes to medical research. That said, what good does that research do if the people that need it can't afford it?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: NotToday

Taking care of your fellow man is what allowed humans to evolve into what they are today. Do you deny that?

Plus, if we deny medical care to the poor it just means we'll see a resurgence in diseases that no amount of money will cure.

Yes wholeheartedly. And, no it wouldn't, that's absurd.

a reply to: NotToday

30 Most Technologically Advanced Hospitals in the World
In the top ten alone there are 6 hospitals in countries other than the States.

originally posted by: Profusion

One day after tweeting that "Dems own the failed ObamaCare disaster," President-elect Donald Trump is now urging the two parties to come together to fix it.

In three tweets early Thursday morning, Trump wrote:

"The Democrats, lead by head clown Chuck Schumer, know how bad ObamaCare is and what a mess they are in. Instead of working to fix it, they.....do the typical political thing and BLAME. The fact is ObamaCare was a lie from the beginning."Keep you doctor, keep your plan!" It is.......time for Republicans & Democrats to get together and come up with a healthcare plan that really works - much less expensive & FAR BETTER!"

LINK

I'm not surprised to hear this news from Trump. Trump wants a replacement for Obamacare. That's not happening without bipartisan support.

No....The Dems asked for bipartisan help when they created Obamacare and got punished by the GOP for taking GOP input and then in the end the GOP still didn't vote for it...they even famously voted against parts of the bill they proposed and wrote.

No...The GOP DO NOT NEED Dems to repeal and launch their own solution...that is completely mathematically incorrect.

The Dems DID NEED the Gop to help fix Obamacare..and they refused.

The GOP have had over 8 years now...pre-Obamacare to come up with their own solution...Nada, Zip...they have crap solutions...

What they are asking for is NOT Dem input or contribution...The GOP are panicking and want to be able to share the blame with Dems...The Dems solution was and is...Fix Obamacare...The GOP solution is ...destroy Obamacare and then ask for the Dems help recreating it? The GOP MUST have a solution?..Right??? They have done nothing but bitch and moan about how their answers are better for a decade now...GO FOR IT...but NO..They don't need Democrats at all...they have terrific majorities...they can go right ahead and give us the Incredible, wonderful Healthcare they have promised for years while they have steadily chased and bled Obamacare like a pack of Hyena's.

It's the GOPs show now...Let's see all the better options they have promised this last decade.

What the GOP Desperately need now is a scapegoat for their impending failure...and getting Dems involved offers them that.

originally posted by: Edumakated
UK at 18... yet in spite of socialized medicine, they can't keep all their teeth.

Are you sure you want to use teeth stereotypes for your "example"? Because there are similar stereotypes about the entire Deep South of America...

ETA: Just to make sure no one gets triggered, I'm not saying that either stereotype is true. I'm just pointing out that this stereotype can work both ways here.

a reply to: NotToday

Why is that absurd? If the poor are denied healthcare because they can't afford it what happens in 5/10/20 years when these people have kids and can't afford vaccines? We have already seen the return of diseases we thought were long gone thanks to anti-vaxxers. What happens when even larger portions of the population aren't vaccinated? And remember just because you are vaccinated doesn't mean it's 100% effective. What are you going to do if you get polio? Bribe it to go away?

What happens if we see a return of the Spanish flu? The poor that can't afford healthcare would provide a great vector for that to spread and your flu shot won't save you from it.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: NotToday

For the most part I'll give you research universities. There are definitely ones throughout the world that can compete with the US' best but we probably have the highest concentration.

Hospitals I would say is a toss up. We have some of the best in the world but for the most part I'd say they're average at best. Our hospitals are also producing more superbugs than anywhere else in the world.

The pharmaceutical industry is definitely debatable. Countries like Canada, India, and Japan are pumping out comparable drugs for much less money. Hell, we have college students producing drugs for $6 a pill while that asshat Martin Shkreli is selling the same drug for $500 a pill. Not even Viagra is a US creation. That was developed in England.

On the whole, the US is probably at the top when it comes to medical research. That said, what good does that research do if the people that need it can't afford it?

Top hospitals are in the US. That's not reliant on your subjective opinion. We have at least 5 of the top 10 in the world. And drugs may be cheaper elsewhere, but there's no arguing the US is worlds leader in RnD. And the people that need care can afford it, and they get the best treatment in the world. Those who can't afford it don't need it, as society has already determined their worth.

just reset the system back to 2009 and then begin reworking it in Trump's image this time.

like most everything else Donald Trump is involved with the new healthcare system will be wildly successful.

originally posted by: NotToday

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: NotToday

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: NotToday
I don't understand what's wrong with the get a job and pay for your own healthcare plan? Unless someone's disabled or under 18 I don't see the benefit of providing them care if they can't afford it themselves? Hasn't society already made the decision their utility is not worthy of care?

For one, it's not affordable. 40% of the country makes under $10/hour, and a lot of them live in large cities where you have 3 people sharing a 1 bedroom apartment in order to cover rent. You should be able to cover insurance on 10% of your wages, but at $10/hour without taking taxes into account that would only give you a premium of $173/month. Insurance costs more than that.

If it was not affordable how was 85% the population insured the year before Obamacare? I don't think we should subsidize people's poor life decisions and lack of societial worth. There's a reason the US has the best healthcare in the world for those who can afford it and it's not because we limit profit and costs.

The US has the best Healthcare in the world?

Yes, for those who can afford it. The US has the worlds the best hospitals, pharmaceutical industry, and university research system.

Just bc its the best and most expensive healthcare does not mean its the best system. The best system would be for it to be affordable for everyone and free for the poor.

If we leave out the poor, we are leaving weakness in the system, room for disease to spread and possibly new diseases to brew that have no cure.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: NotToday

30 Most Technologically Advanced Hospitals in the World
In the top ten alone there are 6 hospitals in countries other than the States.

So we have 40% of the most technology advanced hostipals in the world? Does any other country come close to that? Would that mean the US has the most technologically adavaned hospitals in the world for those who can afford it?

originally posted by: carewemust
just reset the system back to 2009 and then begin reworking it in Trump's image this time.

Let's also all start farting magical unicorn dust and start the first ever flying pig aerial brigade. See I can make grandiose claims with no basis in reality too.

like most everything else Donald Trump is involved with the new healthcare system will be wildly successful.

How's your degree from Trump University?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I know this has no value today but Trump did go on record 30 or so years ago saying that he is a fan of universal healthcare.

originally posted by: NotToday

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: NotToday

30 Most Technologically Advanced Hospitals in the World
In the top ten alone there are 6 hospitals in countries other than the States.

So we have 40% of the most technology advanced hostipals in the world? Does any other country come close to that? Would that mean the US has the most technologically adavaned hospitals in the world for those who can afford it?

The one city of Bangkok, Thailand is on that list 3 times. twice more than any other city on that list.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: NotToday

Why is that absurd? If the poor are denied healthcare because they can't afford it what happens in 5/10/20 years when these people have kids and can't afford vaccines? We have already seen the return of diseases we thought were long gone thanks to anti-vaxxers. What happens when even larger portions of the population aren't vaccinated? And remember just because you are vaccinated doesn't mean it's 100% effective. What are you going to do if you get polio? Bribe it to go away?

What happens if we see a return of the Spanish flu? The poor that can't afford healthcare would provide a great vector for that to spread and your flu shot won't save you from it.

Their birth rate would plummet because of lack of care and the herded vaccinated would be just as protected as they are now, even if they allow the unvaccinated within their domicile to begin with.