...OR - once these little guys are created by a sort of "electro-immune suppression," and they're not killed off, but are released into the environment, are they then "infectious"?

AND - my research shows clearly that fibromuscular dysplasia is the original prion disease - and that it first appeared in the early 1900's. ...Does your hypothesis accommodate this early appearance?


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That's a pretty interesting theory Dr H. With all of the species, including the fish, that have been found with this disease, are there any reports of them dying from it.
Think of all of the weird things that have been happening to wildlife recently. From whales, and dolphins beaching themselves, Pelicans crashing into the ground, etc....
Is it possible that there is some sort of link? BSE basically turns the brain into mush doesn't it? That would have to show some signs of mental breakdown wouldn't it?
If this is a man made "bug" that is targeted to a specific group, and a specific incubation time - did we actually witness testing?

Originally posted by superdude
That's a pretty interesting theory Dr H. With all of the species, including the fish, that have been found with this disease, are there any reports of them dying from it.
Think of all of the weird things that have been happening to wildlife recently. From whales, and dolphins beaching themselves, Pelicans crashing into the ground, etc....
Is it possible that there is some sort of link?

My research says there is - much of what's happening at the cellular level in diseased animals involves "fibroblasts" - the stem cells for connective tissue. These stem cells mutate into myofibroblasts because the cell-building proteins are hijacked by a prion called "a-smooth muscle actin."

BSE basically turns the brain into mush doesn't it? That would have to show some signs of mental breakdown wouldn't it?

True - but that's only the end stage of the disease. ...It travels through the body through the lymph and blood vessels, and can inffect virtually any body part, system or organ before it gets there...

If this is a man made "bug" that is targeted to a specific group, and a specific incubation time - did we actually witness testing?

.....Who knows? But we're definitely watching it spread and mutate before our eyes...



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Originally posted by DrHoracid

Why, after so many years of existence in the world have Prions "suddenly" become infectious? What 'changed".

Good stuff DrH.


1. Your link to electro-magnetic fields -electricity- looks good. Electro-magnetic fields cause normal prions to mutate into infectious forms - plus they damage the immune system, making people and animals more susceptible to the infection.

2. Didn't know about the 1881 scrapie in a cow case - and yes, it may have been horizontal transmission. Good find. ...Of course, there were idiots messing around with creating bioweapons back then... They just didn't know what they were really messing with.

3. This jibes with my findings that FMD first appeared in the early 1900's. ...Both cow and sheep products are used to mass-produce vaccines - the first mass-vaccinations ocurred around 1914, in American soldiers being sent to the front for WWI. ....So the manufacturing process likely created new strains, and vaccines became a major vector for wide spread transmission.


.....Prions respond to environmental change by changing their form or 'mutating' and creating a new strain. 'Environmental change' includes a lot in our "modern" world - chemical contamination, electricity, heating and cooling in factory food processing, processing in laboratory centrifuges.


...Most mutation-causing factors are also highly efficient "prion-manufacturing" processes, and excellent vehicles for transmission...



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So with all of this being said, I have to congratulate both Soficrow, and DrHoracid for their amazing analysis.
Here's a question to ponder. A mother is carrying these prions during her incubation period. She gets pregnant and has a baby. Is this baby now infected? Is this baby immune?

There is also speculation that the original polio vaccine was prion contaminated which may have caused simeon crossover of HIV into humans. Prions from all the data I have are kinda "blank" building blocks similar to "stem" cells. W/O nuclei of course. The protein stucture is easily coopted by virus and perhaps provides a natural "sheild" against the imune systems.

Originally posted by soficrow
My research says there is - much of what's happening at the cellular level in diseased animals involves "fibroblasts" - the stem cells for connective tissue. These stem cells mutate into myofibroblasts because the cell-building proteins are hijacked by a prion called "a-smooth muscle actin."

Soficrow - do you have any more information about this A-sma, particularly regarding when a person tests positive for this blood test? It seems that this blood test is sometimes positive when a person has hepatitis, but when a person who definately doesn't have hepatitis gets a positive, the Drs. consider it an unknown/insignificant finding.

It's caused by cannibalism. When a chicken is fed chicken, prions develop. Same with cows or any other animal. I think eating organic meat probably is the best answer since organic farmers don't practice cannibalism with their livestock. Agribusiness, however, does.

-Forstlady

Geeze is nothing sacred,just when I was getting used to eating goat meat too