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The Desestabilization of Mexico - A Live Perspective

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posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 08:24 PM
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Greetings One and All,

And I have come out of retirement to bring this to you. I have searched the board and the search agent, but so far there is nothing on this. An I am quite sure thatg it has yet to take hold in the MSM outside of Mexico, and to be honest has minimal traction here yet as it is early days.

OK a breakdown, a while ago the government of Mexico announced it was launching a series of reforms to the energy sector, and in particular the privatisation (non privatisation) and sell off (not selling off) of the state run oil company PEMEX. This has hit home just before the new year when it was quietly announced that PEMEX was effectually bankrupt, and had no oil refinery capability and essentially is now being sold to the USA to be sold back to Mexico once refined into gasoline. Since the 1st of January we have seen fuel price rise 20% and are set for more as market forces taken hold. Not a big issue some might say with fuel at around $3.50 a gallon currently. However when it is considered that the minimum wage in Mexico is only $80 pesos a day, and the average wage around $6 - 10K Pesos ($300 - $600 US) a month. It is a very different picture. Essentially in perspective Mexico now has the most expensive fuel in the world.

This is not the end of the story. The sell off and sale of the natural oil resources is considered by an large a flagrant breach of the constitution and what is term the "patrimonio" of the country. Essentially this is a betrayal of the people for a globalist agenda.

That is not the end. Again today we are told that electricity prices HAVE RISEN 50%. We're informed this on the latest CFE bill that arrive bi-monthly.

So, as a result, we have seen demonstrations in all major and minor cities starting yesterday and continuing through today. The government palace in Aguacalientes was stormed last night but with no further reports, highway roadblocks are in progress, attacks on gas stations have been reported, scuffles with riot police have been reported, and currently there are and continue to be the takeover of highway toll-booths nationwide from Tijuana down to Oaxaca. More protests are scheduled through the week, with other groups starting to organise, including those with political influence. In short it is starting to warm up.

BUT That is not the end. Today also we here of attempt to approve a law within Mexico City at the moment, that will force people to surrender the value gained on OWNED PROPERTY once sold minus the value of the original purchase price. Meaning that is a house is bought for $100,000 and sold for $200,000 the seller must pay the excess $100,000 to the government. Essentially they are saying they own your house. The reason they state is that rises in property prices are due to infrastructure "improvements" made by the government and therefore are attributable to them, and therefore they alone should benefit!!! If this passes in Mexico DF, this could go national.

If this happens what is happening now in relation to the "Gasolinazo" will be small beans, there is already talk of civil war, with this just being the final abuse of the people that broke the burros back!

Will the ghosts of Pacho Villa, Zapata, and Perhaps Hidalgo raise their heads once more, or will this just end in more bloodshed on the streets of Mexico.

I truly hope that the response this gets if any is not one I expect from our friends to the north, if it i I hope the majority of people can ignore to see this for the very serious situation for what it is, the deliberate destabilisation of a western democratic country, a federal republic, by TPTB with a globalist agenda.

For you consideration

Good evening,
JakiusFogg
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posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 08:47 PM
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a reply to: JakiusFogg

Sorry for Mexico but they must stop blaming someone else for their crisis and run to USA. You know it will get worse for them once we got the wall. Trump is a businessman and he'll be glad to make good deals with Mexico.

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posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 08:58 PM
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a reply to: Trueman

And there we have the typical response I was expecting. Please know, this is not about you and Mr trump, it is about the blatant disregard for el pueblo by the political class. And to be very honest, no one here is blaming anyone else but the political class here, and in fact a lot of people are being very hard on the Mexican apathy in order to get them mobilized.

Your statement that it "will get worse" is full of hubris and very short sighted. Again this is not about the USA we don;t blame others for what we know to be true unlike some....cough *it was russians* cough
But the point is if this goes the way it seems, there isn't going to be anything for Mr trump to make a deal with any time soon.

Please look again later, we're busy draining our own swamp.
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posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:00 PM
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For the people,

Viva Pancho Villa, Viva Mexico!



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:03 PM
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This is the first I`ve heard about this,this is really serious why hasn`t the MSM picked this up?

I hope Trump gets that wall built before civil war erupts in mexico and spills over into the U.S.

of course Obama is asleep at the wheel while all this is happening,or maybe he and Hillary knew all about this that's why they were hell bent on having an open border so that the Mexican refugees fleeing the Mexican civil war could pour into America unhindered.
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posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:08 PM
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originally posted by: Tardacus

I hope Trump gets that wall built before civil war erupts in mexico and spills over into the U.S.



You will need very large teams of Albaniles from Tijuana, Nogales, Juarez and Monterrey to get that wall built in the time there possibly is. This is happening now.

As for the rest of the post. No one here is looking north, we have our eyes fixed firmly on Mexico City.

And as for why the MSM hasn't picked this up. well ...... do you need to ask?
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posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:12 PM
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Thats crazy! The gas prices makes sense considering they went bankrupt. Howerver if you sell your house you make no money just what you bought it for WTF. Increase in electricity also makes sense considering most plants require gas generators as a back up but 50 percent? I wonder if this is the mexican governments way of pushing its citizens up north to cause a problem with the border? This will be seen as a hostle act as people flee mexico in droves and I'm sure donald will see it that way. He may place the military on borderwatch if it gets extreme and he will be able to do it as a national security issue with a mexican civil war. I already know tariffs on mexican goods within the usa will happen which will only make the problem worse. It will be a pr nightmare as refugees fleeing are greeted with a swift and hostle act that will most likely end any thought of crossing the us border by refugees. I highly doubt mexicans will flee south as they will be greeted the same way.

I highly suggest you invest in some guns and a cabin deep in the woods somewhere because your people are about to be stuck between a rock and a hard place.

I highly doubt the contracts will go to mexican companies i see it being contracted out to american companies unless mexico steps in to do the work themselves which i highly doubt. Because it sounds like they are going to have their own problems. The cost will be off set by tarriffs imposed on all mexican goods for the cost of the wall with interest every year. It will be a death blow to mexico as they will no longer be able to trade goods in us for a profit with us government aid reserved for mexico paying the cost for the wall and not given to mexico.

You cant flip the table on this game its already checkmate.
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posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:18 PM
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I want to respond to this, but I'm not sure what to say. I'm so sorry. We apparently have just experienced a type of coup here with the results remaining to be seen, ( I'm not optimistic) but perhaps your citizens can pull together and figure out a way to end the corruption. I hope so. I would so hate to see such a terrible war in Mexico.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:19 PM
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Not that I don't believe you, but why can I find nothing on either of these topics?

Google has some older articles about Pemex having financial issues, but nothing lately.

Also cannot find anything on taking your profits when selling a home.

Curious as we are traveling to Mexico in a few weeks.

Thanks.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:21 PM
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This isn't all about Mexico you know. Even North America is affected. Everyone needs to go back to towns people mode and have their jobs closer instead of too far out of reach. Too many good jobs are just too dam far away.


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posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:27 PM
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a reply to: angeldoll

TBH I was taling to my mother-in-law and it seems a coup d'etat would be a really good thing right about now. but there is currently no indication of that.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:27 PM
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a reply to: JakiusFogg

Maybe the war is what you need. Move the young ones, old ones, and pretty ones someplace safe. Overthrown the government and let the people rule. Crowds of men with guns get $hit done.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:29 PM
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a reply to: TommyD1966

Tommy, you need to search on youtube, facebook etc for Gasolinazo, and Plusvalia,but most will be in Spanish as you would expect, you will find some articles in some english speaking outlets in the north about protests, but is down played at the moment. As I say this is currently building, so for you guys, this is a scoop.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: Underfire2

There are a lot of people here who believe the same as you.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:34 PM
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I found this it was posted 6 hours ago:


Protests erupt across Mexico over a sudden spike in gasoline prices
The bus packed with holiday travelers ground to a halt. Up the highway, on the outskirts of Mexico City, protesters were blocking the lanes, brandishing sticks, burning debris and waving banners that read: “Enough!”

“It’s chaos,” said the bus driver, looking out at a traffic jam that extended as far as he could see.

An hour passed, then five. Passengers were getting hungry. From the windows, they could see travelers who had abandoned their vehicles and were dragging luggage along the dark highway.

The blockade — one of at least 21 that brought traffic to a halt across Mexico on Monday — was staged in response to a sudden hike in gasoline prices brought on by a new government policy of deregulation.
Structural problems with Mexico’s oil refinery and distribution system have compounded the problems, leading to fuel shortages at some gas stations in recent days and spawning a black market for fuel in some states, Piñon said.

“They don’t have the capacity to meet demand,” he said.


www.latimes.com...



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:40 PM
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I hear what you're saying although there are factors at work here that do not exist in the USA or Canada.

1. Pemex is a national company, not in a socialist way, but in a nationalist way. It was supposed to be protected.
2. Mexican resources are protected for the Mexican people. this has been this way for a very long time. for example, it was supposed that foreign people cannot buy land within 30km of the coast line. this too has been violated.
3. The government has forced bankruptcy of AN OIL COMPANY (where does that ever happen!???) and sold it off to foreign interests while telling people its about infrastructure investment
4. They closed the refineries, sold the oil to the US to buy it back as gas. For an Oil producing country who does that?? oh yes, Mexico!!!
5. The wage rates here, while a separate issue, exacerbate the situation making gas in Mexico relatively the most expensive in the world, while being comparative in price to other countries. but you can understand I hope why people are really annoyed.

When you add this to all the other real and perceived injustices, impunity, corruption, and self service of the political class, it just a bit of a final straw.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:45 PM
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a reply to: JakiusFogg
There were protests here in Colombia today as well due to the announcement of a sales tax hike that will kick into effect next month. Im not sure how much gas went up...

yayy globalization



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: JakiusFogg



Things can go to hell fast. Sounds like Mexico just needs a little more spark.
Not that I don't believe all you say is true, but do you have some good news links?



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:49 PM
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a reply to: ezramullins

google this :
Protests erupt across Mexico over a sudden spike in gasoline prices

it started hitting the American MSM about 6 hours ago


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posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:51 PM
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a reply to: digital01anarchy

Re the wall. don't forget it a border of which there are two sides. So unless you want to build it entirely within US territory and cede land to Mexico, people must work on the Mexican side of the line. For which they will require visas, and if not face deportation. that's simply the law.

regarding trade tarrifs. I actually agree with you in part, that imposition of tarriffs will make Mexican goods less attractive to American buyers. as they will not want to pay the duty on imports. So its not that mexico pays, its that the goods don't get bought. And considering there is a massive trade deficit, I figured "the wall" would be funded in thatg way, although I suspect the reason is a populist mechanism to get the base roused, while the real motive is business balancing the books.

And while I admit that Mexico needs trade more then the reverse, don't forget that Mexican production is out performing other Latin American countries, including Brazil, and according to sources in some aspects even Chiynah! So don't count us out yet.

Point is we're currently choking on a populist government that wad voted in 4 years ago and has 2 years (or less) to run.

You're populist government arrives in a few days......

enjoy!



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