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Trump "Make marijuana great again!"

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posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 11:46 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: underwerks
Marijuana doesn't need to be made "great" again. Whatever that means. Keep your Trump away from my Cannabis.



Hey if trump would legalize it , that would serve the left right for refusing to take up a cause that has 70% support.

Trump can't legalize it federally. Its against the law for the head of the DEA to even consider de-scheduling a substance that's already scheduled.

I'm starting to see that making something "great" under Trump just means him putting his grubby fingers all over it and then spinning it as a positive to his supporters.

I'm thankful I live in a state that has already made it known they won't comply with any of his ideas.




posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: Namdru

Good points. It wouldn't be the first time he bucked with Republican establishment. As far as Obama, Trump is competitive and might want to one up him by moving forward and legalizing marijuana. Trump was the first Republican to embrace LGBT, even brought it up at the convention. For him to be progressive on pot wouldn't be the first time, he challenged the social conservative, wing of Republicans. Like you said pot is nationally popular and with every new state individually legalizing it's only a matter of time until conservatives are left behind, so better to get ahead of it, and find a way to profit from it, like using that money on roads, which might even give some solace to the conservatives.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: DogMeat

There a lot of people I know who don't smoke pot, or rarely do, but are in favor of legalization if for nothing else the taxes. The other selling point to legalization for people who don't smoke it, is it be safer alternative. It's way safer then opiates. It's safer then K-2 and other synthetic drugs, like people use as a loop hole around drug test. By safer, I mean you are less likely to get robbed or hit and run, by people who can legally by their recreational drug of choice,then people on opiates, or K-2 injecting who knows what, and there fore a bigger hazard to others on the street.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 02:52 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

"I'm thankful I live in a state that has already made it known they won't comply with any of his ideas."

Isn't that a little uncharitable? There is no idea, or plan he could have that you would want your whole state to be nothing but combative over? What if he wanted to house all the homeless like they did in Utah? It's fully your right to personally not like the guy, or his supporters, myself included, but I think you become unreasonable and dogmatic, when you say you will fight him any Issue de facto.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 02:56 PM
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a reply to: imaginarydebates

Until then, there's Mexico!

jk



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Sure the most realistic option is like you said, Trump does nothing. However I see this topic as a bridge that I think liberals and conservatives would agree on. As far as know the biggest decry of legalization is more from special interest (big pharma, prison guards, police, alcohol) not the general public.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: imaginarydebates

Trust me. I agree. It is certainly a bi-partisan idea and most of the country would easily get behind it, but that Sessions pick really stunts my optimism on the matter. Though as a caveat he DID recently say that he isn't looking to make marijuana completely illegal again as the AG, but that just plays into my idea that the status quo will just be maintained. But I guess we'll see.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 03:20 PM
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a reply to: Wateraven

In the event that you are right. what then should one do? Trump if he wants to win again in 2020, could not just sell out to special interest like the prisons, and hope to re win. Even if Trump is a selfish jerk, it' not in his own interest to be as bad as you wrote at this point. Trump would have a much better chance of reelection by working with the democrats on this issue. Trump is more need to win over people like you who don't like him, then the few who benefit from imprisoning non violent drug offenders.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 04:32 PM
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originally posted by: TDawg61
I recall Trump saying he would leave it up to the states to decide for themselves.


As he should do..

He did not allow his kids to smoke or drink and he is not very high on anything that impairs one's judgement from what I have read.. However he is the president of the People of the USA and maybe for a change we will have someone that not only looks out for the best interest of the country but also listens to it's citizens. Main thing they need to do is federally decriminalize pot and take it off of schedule A..

One country in Asia (most are super anti-drug to include pot) have recognized the manufacturing and profit potential of hemp plants.. My understand of hemp is there are two kinds of plants...one has a high content of what pot heads seek and the other has almost no or none of the chemical (THC ? sorry not much for knowing about weed) ... So the government has issued a 5 year plan to allow the growth of the plant ...err a five year plan where only the military and a very few others can grow the plant.. Needless to say if the potential for manufacturing using the plant is true and realized there are going to be some very rich special buds of the government...

I suppose they needed to start some where... so even in Asia there is at least talk of some of the benefits of the plant..



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 04:34 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: TDawg61
I recall Trump saying he would leave it up to the states to decide for themselves.


Yep and If Trump tells his AG that they are to do as he says and leave it up to states his AG will do as he has been told. remember he serves at Trumps whim,and can be replaced.



Assuming he is actually willing to do the work required to chase around behind them all shooting stuff down....

Which I personally doubt seriously.


Lets wait and se. if he dont ill be right along side of his detractors. if i was president id set up a system. yes or no system. Every decision he makes i say yes or no. each decision shall be tweeted to my account. Its not too hard to do.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 05:15 PM
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a reply to: imaginarydebates

I didn't watch the video, I will give my input on your flimsy argument.

Legalization would actually harm the economy.

You are talking about a plant, that grows anywhere, at no cost. The high prices of marijuana are only due to the illicit nature of the product. The injection of those illicit funds into the economy are in the billions, legalization would see a large portion of the economy shrivel up, causing economic collapse.

Look at it this way, you used opiates as an example. In early 2001, the taliban placed a ban on poppies in Afghanistan. This is considered the largest economic attack against America by any terror organization in history. As a result, the US was forced to invade Afghanistan. Post-invasion, heroin production from Afghanistan skyrocketed to 90% of world production. 90%. Where do you think the heroin that gets into the US come from? Who do you think is profiting off this? The banking and intelligence apparatus.

Now, without marijuana prohibition, the funding against the war on drugs collapses. That is a threat to thousands of DEA government jobs, the prison industry, DuPont, et al.

Colorado having legal weed is not indicative of what widespread legalization would do. Yes, there would be an industry, but nothing what you are thinking. Unless cultivation is prohibited, legalization would effectively deflate the price of weed. The amount of taxes necessary to offset the losses from legalization would be utterly insane.

It's a nice sentiment, but arguing from an economic perspective is not the way to go(and the primary reason of government resistance.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 06:43 PM
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a reply to: GodEmperor

Actually... being regulated would decrease spending in other areas and increase others like prosecuting real crimes such as murder. The DEA deserves to lose Jobs. The PIC needs to lose jobs as well. Lawyers need to be scaled back too. the only industry effected would be the Prison industry.

Legalizing it allows for oversight and restricting who can grow it. creating demand for legal weed. Also Licensing people to grow it themselves would make money too. Weed from Over the border though should still be prosecuted though same as when people try to sell ciggs in another state.

Same argument was made by Tobacco about causing the economy to collapse.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 08:23 PM
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originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: TDawg61
I recall Trump saying he would leave it up to the states to decide for themselves.


Yep and If Trump tells his AG that they are to do as he says and leave it up to states his AG will do as he has been told. remember he serves at Trumps whim,and can be replaced.



Assuming he is actually willing to do the work required to chase around behind them all shooting stuff down....

Which I personally doubt seriously.


Lets wait and se. if he dont ill be right along side of his detractors. if i was president id set up a system. yes or no system. Every decision he makes i say yes or no. each decision shall be tweeted to my account. Its not too hard to do.



If he had appointed a bunch of bipartisan "best guy for the job" types I would agree, but he didn't. He appointed a bunch of pizza gate conservative conspiracy types out of loyalty from his campaign.

I doubt he will want to do the work of governing with his job, let alone chase around the hacks policing their every move.


We are screwed.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 08:26 PM
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originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: imaginarydebates

I didn't watch the video, I will give my input on your flimsy argument.

Legalization would actually harm the economy.

You are talking about a plant, that grows anywhere, at no cost. The high prices of marijuana are only due to the illicit nature of the product. The injection of those illicit funds into the economy are in the billions, legalization would see a large portion of the economy shrivel up, causing economic collapse.

Look at it this way, you used opiates as an example. In early 2001, the taliban placed a ban on poppies in Afghanistan. This is considered the largest economic attack against America by any terror organization in history. As a result, the US was forced to invade Afghanistan. Post-invasion, heroin production from Afghanistan skyrocketed to 90% of world production. 90%. Where do you think the heroin that gets into the US come from? Who do you think is profiting off this? The banking and intelligence apparatus.

Now, without marijuana prohibition, the funding against the war on drugs collapses. That is a threat to thousands of DEA government jobs, the prison industry, DuPont, et al.

Colorado having legal weed is not indicative of what widespread legalization would do. Yes, there would be an industry, but nothing what you are thinking. Unless cultivation is prohibited, legalization would effectively deflate the price of weed. The amount of taxes necessary to offset the losses from legalization would be utterly insane.

It's a nice sentiment, but arguing from an economic perspective is not the way to go(and the primary reason of government resistance.



Yes it is a good representative from what a national legalization would look like...maybe minus 20% of its present Colorado cost.

As you mentioned, it takes very little money to grow, and even at half its present going rate would be insanely profitable.

Plus it destroys the black market as I'm willing to bet weed make up at least half of all black market sales.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:21 PM
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Honestly if he did decide to go pro legalization it would be checkmate. Too bad he's not going to do it. How can the left spin pro-legalization of marijuana being the demonic actions of the antichrist and try to convince their supporters of such without alienating most of them? Especially when Trump can placate most of those that would oppose on his side by taxing it. It puts the left in a catch 22, either they back and support Trump fully on something, and are forced to concede he's not all bad and work with him bipartisanly or bleed off much of their supporters assuming they wouldn't lose them anyway since unlike the Obama who's been in power the past 8 years, Trump would have actually made a real stand and did something about it.

This one action could damn near neuter the left and guarantee an 8 year presidency by itself.



posted on Jan, 4 2017 @ 12:07 AM
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a reply to: imaginarydebates




rump made money off Casino's. Trump never claimed to be a moralist. Is that big of difference to profit from gambling or marijuana? 


Night and day. It is immoral to prohibit cannabis. Nothing but good comes from the plant so the sooner it is fully legalized the better for all of humanity. It was only ever given a negative reputation for reasons of greed and fear of losing control.

If Trump is a true business man with intelligence and good intentions he will allow the cannabis industry to flourish. If he is truly a righteous person who wants to set things right in this country he will abolish the dreadful war on drugs while he is at it.

I am afraid that if he is unable to comprehend massive opportunity that would be the cannabis industry he is either hopelessly brainwashed, not that smart, or just another fake polititician.
edit on 4-1-2017 by GoShredAK because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 4 2017 @ 12:12 AM
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a reply to: GoShredAK

And because Nixon hated hippies.



posted on Jan, 4 2017 @ 04:31 AM
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a reply to: imaginarydebates

There are many things that Trump could have done to improve the public understanding of his intentions toward the nation. He could have made it clear that he intends to divorce the United States from dependency on fossil products for its long term energy needs, without resorting to nuclear power, by having a word with Mr Elon Musk about the potential for co-operation between the government and Musk's companies, to create a unified renewable energy grid. However, his picks for environmental spokespersons and the like would indicate that he has no such intention.

He could have made it clear that he intends to push through legalisation of the herb, to take advantage of the massive benefits to the public coffers, not to mention improvements in street level outcomes for families, users, growers and indeed society in general, that come from doing so. However, his selection of Sessions indicates that this is not on the cards.

He could have improved the way America is related to by other nations on the planet, by refusing to continue the amoral and entirely unjustifiable military interventionist strategy developed for the Middle East and surrounding areas, by pulling any and all intelligence assets and military assets out of the region, ceasing any and all bombing, be it by plane or by drone. He could have made indications that this is his intention, but it clearly is not, since his every word so far on the subject has been about bombing the area into the stone age, repeatedly and thoroughly, to an extent not even imagined by those who were flying airstrikes over Iraq back in the day.

Basically, there is no reason to suspect or assume that Mr Trump has anything remotely positive to bring to the table with regard to the issues mentioned above, since his every move so far in terms of picks for key positions, not to mention his statements on some of these matters, have been entirely against any progressive or intellectually valid approach to the issues at hand.



posted on Jan, 4 2017 @ 07:52 AM
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originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: underwerks
Marijuana doesn't need to be made "great" again. Whatever that means. Keep your Trump away from my Cannabis.



Hey if trump would legalize it , that would serve the left right for refusing to take up a cause that has 70% support.

Trump can't legalize it federally. Its against the law for the head of the DEA to even consider de-scheduling a substance that's already scheduled.

I'm starting to see that making something "great" under Trump just means him putting his grubby fingers all over it and then spinning it as a positive to his supporters.

I'm thankful I live in a state that has already made it known they won't comply with any of his ideas.



He can drop the schedule level by himself. Basically making it legal.. or the penalty incredibly small.

Schedule 1 is a felony the lower teirs are not.



posted on Jan, 4 2017 @ 07:54 AM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
Honestly if he did decide to go pro legalization it would be checkmate. Too bad he's not going to do it. How can the left spin pro-legalization of marijuana being the demonic actions of the antichrist and try to convince their supporters of such without alienating most of them? Especially when Trump can placate most of those that would oppose on his side by taxing it. It puts the left in a catch 22, either they back and support Trump fully on something, and are forced to concede he's not all bad and work with him bipartisanly or bleed off much of their supporters assuming they wouldn't lose them anyway since unlike the Obama who's been in power the past 8 years, Trump would have actually made a real stand and did something about it.

This one action could damn near neuter the left and guarantee an 8 year presidency by itself.



Agreed assuming he doesn't trump that by doing something else crazy stupid...

Why neither side jumped on the wagon when it has 70% approval rating in all the polls blows my mind..




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