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The end of Medicare and Social Security, how do you feel about it?

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posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 01:34 AM
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umm... let's see, what would it be like if the gov't stopped paying out social security and ended medicare tomorrow??
there would be some who would be lucky enough to have other forms of retirement savings and pensions, it probably wouldn't affect them at all. other's well, wouldn't be that lucky.
so, some of the unlucky ones would end up out in the workforce, competing with our youth for jobs that are too few..
others, who for whatever reason, maybe they aren't able to work, maybe they couldn't land a job, well, their kids might end up having to help them out.... oh ya, those kids that are still living in the same bedrooms that they grew up in..
but, one thing is for sure, none of them would be able to count on much help from the social safety net... because unless you have minor dependents... you are plum out of luck with that one!!!
even if you are content with just letting them go without, living and dying on the streets... you still would end paying for your decision.
and then there is the matter of the fact that the senior make up a pretty big bulk of the volunteer force that quite frankly have replaced many jobs that were paid positions when I was younger!

oh, yes, you will be smart, and invest your own money, open up a saving's accounts, stash your extra cash into your mattress...
well, that didn't work out too well for the people who were around for the depression! ya know, when the stock market crashed, the banks ran out of money, and the people lost all that savings?? which is why such things as social security and the fdic came into being to begin with.
both of which I have heard republicans express the desire to do away with.

unless you are prepared to financially support your own parents in their golden age or willing to let them go without...
I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the let's kill social security bandwagon!




posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 02:01 AM
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a reply to: dawnstar

They are willing to risk everything to transfer all that money to wall Street.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 02:21 AM
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Hmm
The current makeup of the government is put in place by the over 45 crowd.

The government wants to mess with the benefits of the elderly.

I therefore am in favor of eliminating all benefits starting now to anyone 45+. Seems thats their desire, let em have it (it meaning nothing).

Personally, I am not wildly fond of having a government akin to that of the congo..something about starving elderly on the streets that sort of rubs me the wrong way, but what do I know. Anyhow, yeah...45+...no more free lunch. under 45 can discuss based on the results of the lunati..erm..."real" muricans and their brilliant plans



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 02:24 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

wonder just how much of the revenue that the healthcare providers get is coming from medicare? I mean I would think that a big chunk would come from the older population since that's when all those chronic conditions hit, the heart starts to give out, the alzheimers shows itself, ect. even if the elderly could afford the insurance premiums, I wonder if the insurance companies could take on a large influx of seniors like that.
ya, go ahead, throw your money into wall street instead, but I would highly advise that you don't put that money into anything related to healthcare!!



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 02:38 AM
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a reply to: SaturnFX

gee thanks!!! lost my husband awhile back, I couldn't work because of health problems before that and was refused disability when I tried because I didn't really have much in medical records because...well, although we could afford to pitch in for all those poor kids out there, we certainly could afford for our own care..
after he passed, went close to a year with absolutely no income by selling just about everything I owned and finally manage to get disability, which in time qualified me for survivor's benefits... ya know what I would have been able to get before that?? a little bit of help with the heat, and a little bit of food stamps, but that was only if I could keep a roof over my head!!!
if they did what you are suggesting I would probably just spend some money at the doctor's office, con him into giving me some heavy sleeping pills and opt out of this life! because I most certainly wouldn't want my kids to be left holding the bag!!!



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 02:38 AM
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a reply to: banjobrain

The programs should be privatised at the very least. The private sector would never get away with raiding the funds like the FED's do plus Government sucks at everything...especially handling money.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 02:46 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus

the private sector, like wall street and the banks???
the ones who managed to put probably half the homes in the country in jeopardy by securitizing them, shredding the notes, and now we can end up having two or more companies claiming ownership of the same note? the ones who were caught manipulating the libor rate, and can sink or skyrocket any asset at their pleasure? the ones who manage to sell the same ounce of silver or gold forty times over and deliver a piece of paper? ya, that should work out just grand for yas!!!



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 02:48 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
if they did what you are suggesting I would probably just spend some money at the doctor's office, con him into giving me some heavy sleeping pills and opt out of this life! because I most certainly wouldn't want my kids to be left holding the bag!!!



Yeah, sorry, just feeling a bit bitter at the older conservative middle/upper class who see no need for SS for them, therefore no need for anyone else. It really is the pinnicle of short sighted and hyper-selfish outlook. SS came about for a purpose, same with medicare. people collecting SS cant work in the workforce and possibly compete with youth, so need to rely on something, and given the majority of america is barely making ends meet, anyone who is even sort of entertaining the idea of removing a safety net for the most needed in the country..well, measures will need to be taken. The biggest reason for piracy from african nations is for necessity items and medicines. human nature. if your mother is in pain, and you can stop it by kidnapping some rich ass for some ransom..a person will do exactly that. these safety nets are indeed for helping those in need, but its also protection for those who have stuff.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 03:03 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: SaturnFX

gee thanks!!! lost my husband awhile back, I couldn't work because of health problems before that and was refused disability when I tried because I didn't really have much in medical records because...well, although we could afford to pitch in for all those poor kids out there, we certainly could afford for our own care..
after he passed, went close to a year with absolutely no income by selling just about everything I owned and finally manage to get disability, which in time qualified me for survivor's benefits... ya know what I would have been able to get before that?? a little bit of help with the heat, and a little bit of food stamps, but that was only if I could keep a roof over my head!!!
if they did what you are suggesting I would probably just spend some money at the doctor's office, con him into giving me some heavy sleeping pills and opt out of this life! because I most certainly wouldn't want my kids to be left holding the bag!!!




Sorry to hear this, I am very glad these benefits are out there for people like you.

I think if America is to survive we are gonna have to start focusing on making peoples lives better and not do things that
intentionally hurt the more vulnerable people in society.

In fact. I think America should stop trying to focus on enriching businesses and rich people and instead focus policies on
regular people. I think if common people are doing well, the rest will follow.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 03:05 AM
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a reply to: banjobrain

You sound like some of many liberals,the Dem's have been robbing SS since Clinton days,now it's a problem because of Republicans,and I'd like to see where they made that statement,,liberal whiners



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 03:09 AM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: banjobrain

The programs should be privatised at the very least. The private sector would never get away with raiding the funds like the FED's do plus Government sucks at everything...especially handling money.


I think the private sector turns everything the government gives them into a slush fund. I look at what private military contractors do and I can see that the private sector will make separating the retirees from their money as their number one
priority. Plus if they do a casino gambling extravaganza like 2008-09 I don't think that would end well.

As far as Medicare, it is already privately administrated and always has been. The difference is they are a payer system and not an insurance company and it cost about half as much to run as health insurance.

Anyways I do not see any sense in giving yet more money to the banks when they already have the Feds giving them cheap money to loan at a premium. I have to ask, at what point are the banks and their friends rich enough? Paul Ryan probably knows



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 03:15 AM
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originally posted by: Oldtimer2
a reply to: banjobrain

You sound like some of many liberals,the Dem's have been robbing SS since Clinton days,now it's a problem because of Republicans,and I'd like to see where they made that statement,,liberal whiners


The Dems have been robbing SS? How, give an example.

I know Ronald Reagan went out of his way to make Social Security benefits taxable which they weren't before him.

George W Bush was also pushing to privatize both but the 2006 elections happened

Here is the rollout for Paul Ryan's plan

paulryan.house.gov...

More on the issue


www.newsmax.com...

www.huffingtonpost.com...



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 03:42 AM
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The measure of any society is how you take care of the most vulnerable.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 05:43 AM
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Do you have ANY actual PROOF that this is even real?



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 08:26 AM
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From both sides, Congress and the POTUS

Donald Trump’s New ‘Health’ Secretary Wants To Destroy Medicare


“we will not rest until we make certain that government-run health care i[s] ended.”


Price also is in favor of "balance billing", currently outlawed in Medicare, whereby you would be billed for what Medicare doesn't pay. ..... and just when you thought Americans going bankrupt over medical bills was over.

Making Americans Bankrupt Again! Making American Seniors Bankrupt Again!



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: banjobrain

I certainly think that, at the least, they should be optional and not mandated, because some of us are much better with our own money than the government--who "borrows" our social-security funds for other things--could ever be.

I do believe that the system needs an overhaul--it was originally set up so where the government could not touch the money in the social-security fund, but that has changed over time. We need to go back to that, for sure.

We also need to make it optional. There is no reason why the federal government should be able to force us to put a specified amount of money toward a government-administered retirement system. Looking at it in that simplistic way, it's obvious that it was set up to give the government access to a slush fund, and they have since over-accessed it and now the money that should be there is not. I'm not real keen on giving the government money just so that it can overspend.

As far as Medicare goes, I do think that it should exist, but at the same time, there should be some sort of liquid-asset/net-worth ceiling that exists that cuts someone off from using it. I'm a big proponent of using one's own money for most healthcare visits and items. Maybe it doesn't get cut off, per se, but changes to a catastrophic plan. Regardless, there is definitely a need for a safety net for healthcare for the elderly, but it needs to be regulated better and administered more efficiently.

Ending automatic enrollment in Medicare because you collect your social security should end as well--that should definitely be optional. The social security funds is that individual's money that they deserve to get back. That doesn't mean that they should automatically get taxpayer-funded healthcare, too.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 08:50 AM
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a reply to: banjobrain

Many are self proclaimed christians and good hearted people that truly believe if a man does not work he should not eat. And you want to dictate to me what is good and evil. That's actually quite entertaining.


Knock yourselves out with survival of the fittest



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: desert
Price also is in favor of "balance billing", currently outlawed in Medicare, whereby you would be billed for what Medicare doesn't pay. ..... and just when you thought Americans going bankrupt over medical bills was over.


Do you not see the irony in this statement? Healthcare costs so much because those of us who already pay "balance billing" have increased costs because many others who use healthcare refuse to pay bills, or insurance like Medicare refuses to pay outstanding balances.

Those items and services don't just become free because people don't pay for them--those of us who do pay then take up the increased cost to cover for that, making healthcare expensive for all, unaffordable for many, and causing some (not many, though) to claim bankruptcy because of medical bills.

But, yes, just keep letting the government steal health care on behalf of the elderly, just so we feel good--then let's complain about the cost of health care in the same comment. That makes total sense.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:03 AM
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Social Security was conceived when a beloved school teacher in a small community was found to be living in an abandoned chicken coop after she became too old to teach. Kind people in the government; people with both brains and compassion, said 'we can't let this happen".

So this is what you want, you brilliant, brilliant people?

BRING BACK CHICKEN COOPS!

As for "I could invest my own money better", yes, so says you. We don't know from one day to the next what our lives will bring. For you, it could bring dementia. It could bring job loss, you high and mighty. You don't know.

It's a safety net. Leave it alone oh mighty you are so great and fabulous working brilliant ones. Because you might not be so mighty and brilliant as you think.



posted on Jan, 3 2017 @ 09:04 AM
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originally posted by: testingtesting
The measure of any society is how you take care of the most vulnerable.


To a point.

But in our society, the government doesn't give us that option as a society, it just takes our money and administers the service itself. That's not the same thing as what you're claiming.

But what you don't see are people like me and my wife--we're having a home built specifically because we are having her mom move in with us so that we can care for her as she is unable to live alone anymore without concern that she will fall, not have a phone to call for help, and just lie there either slowly dying or in pain and discomfort until my wife runs out there because she doesn't answer her phone.

We don't want to shove her off to a nursing home that the government would then have to pay a large chunk of, so we're incurring the cost ourselves in order to care for elderly family.

THAT is how you measure members of a society, not by what the government does forcefully on (supposed) behalf of its citizenry.

And I'm not looking for an "attaboy" or praise for doing it--this is what we all should be doing for our families as our parents age and lose their independence, if it's possible. The thing is, it's possible for many, many people, but they choose not to. It really saddens me.



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