How do you feel about Trump getting cozy with Russia and Putin.

a reply to: JoeP2247

If you are referring to the "hacking" has anyone other than an anonymous source, used by some rag that is in the pocket of the DNC come out with definitive proof?

Not... based on prior experience we believe... I mean we tracked them down and it is 100% certain... not WMD certain but actually the truth.

originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance


They will make a fine ally against the modern globalists and islamofascists as well.

Right, because Iran and Russia aren't allies.

www.foreignaffairs.com...

And what exactly has Iran done on the world arena in the last 30 years that any of those middle eastern nations hasn't?

I would call Saudi Arabia a bigger threat personally.

It's just a matter of time before Israel and Iran exchange nukes. The US will back Israel and Russia will back Iran. That's not troubling to you. The potential for a Biblical Armageddon is a very real possibility.

a reply to: gpols

And America didn't?

The only territory the USSR annexed from Germany following the Second World War was what is now known as the Kaliningrad Oblast, and they gave all of East Prussia to Poland.

The missiles in Cuba were a direct response to the US putting missiles in Turkey (not Italy). Right on the USSR's doorstep. Fidel Castro also asked for them since Kennedy had his eyes on Regime Change following the humiliating overthrow of Batista.

In hindsight, it's not difficult to see why they did it. Given the US advantage in nuclear weapons and delivery time back in the day.

a reply to: olaru12

Israel doesn't have a first strike policy as far as i'm aware. But we know how trustworthy their government is when it comes to, well, anything.

Iran wants it's nuclear weapons to deter aggression from, amongst others, Israel.

I don't think a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel is likely, unless some totally bat# leader, like a doomsday cultist Imperial Zionist, or a Shia Caliphate Jihadist take power in those countries.

originally posted by: gpols


Just a few years ago when Putin invaded, our ally, Ukraine folks on the right were outraged, now that Trump is president all the Russian aggression is forgiven.

How do you resolve that logical conflict?

It's not just that, either. Suddenly Wikileaks and Julian Assange is our BFF, despite he is a very well known anti-American, anti-Capitalist, Socialist anarchist sniveling little twat whose stated goal is the humiliation and reduction of the U.S. in stature. But hey, as long as he leaked about Hillary, then his previous national security breaches will totally be forgotten.

Blind, rabid partisanship? I never thought I'd see it to this level.

Where the hell did all the real conservatives go?

Personally I think Trump is doing the right thing. Russia has no ambitions and Obama kicked Russian influence out of Ukraine, Libya, Syria. Russian people are well mannered and very friendly. It is good for America and Russia to work together. Humanity must settle other planets before the Sun burns out. Peace, not war, is the way to go.

Trump is going to do things differently whether you like it or not. A change of approach is certainly needed. Whether he will be successful is yet to be seen. Certainly Putin is a far smarter adversary than Hillary Clinton and there is a chance that he runs rings around Trump, just has he has done with Clinton and Obama. That said, Trump has been underestimated by many on the left, over and over again, yet always seems to come out on top.

It will make for a very interesting 4 years watching Trump and Putin's diplomatic relationship. I feel far less anxious now about the prospect of WWIII than I did when I thought Hillary would get elected, that's for sure.

Remember one thing - the USA and Russia are not in a winner takes all death match. Both countries can come away with a winning hand from a strong relationship and that is what I think the two men will try and work out.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance


They will make a fine ally against the modern globalists and islamofascists as well.

Right, because Iran and Russia aren't allies.

www.foreignaffairs.com...

And what exactly has Iran done on the world arena in the last 30 years that any of those middle eastern nations hasn't?

I would call Saudi Arabia a bigger threat personally.

It's just a matter of time before Israel and Iran exchange nukes. The US will back Israel and Russia will back Iran. That's not troubling to you. The potential for a Biblical Armageddon is a very real possibility.

Trump has expressed interest in working with both Israel and Russia. If he is at all successful, then the scenario that you outlined will not come to pass.

Putin is very good at not being baited. I don't think that Putin would advise Iran to be baited by Israel and if Trump can get in good with Israel to the point where Israel trusts and respects Trump, then I don't think they will try and force a conflict between Russia and the US.

Trump-Putin could pave the way to peace between Israel and Iran. Everything is pointing in that direction and I for one am very excited.

originally posted by: AdamHeiman
Personally I think Trump is doing the right thing. Russia has no ambitions and Obama kicked Russian influence out of Ukraine, Libya, Syria. Russian people are well mannered and very friendly. It is good for America and Russia to work together. Humanity must settle other planets before the Sun burns out. Peace, not war, is the way to go.

That's a long way off, lol, but I like the thinking. It would be fantastic if the relationship between the two countries to grow to the point a joint effort to develop Moon and Mars missions was seriously undertaken.

originally posted by: gpols
a reply to: rickymouse

I am sixty one years old. I have experienced the bomb shelters in schools and the drills that we had to do when we were kids to prepare for a nuclear attack. I have seen the actions of many rulers of Russia, and Putin is one of the best ones they have had. I remember when the KGB ran everything.

Then surely you remember the thing called the Berlin wall.

Russia put nuclear capable missiles in Cuban as a response to the US putting missile defense in Italy to deter the spread of Communism.

USSR had a really bad habit of keeping and ruling the territory they won fighting Nazi Germany.

I was surprised to see the Berlin wall come down and to see Germany unite. Who's idea was it to build that wall and split the country anyway? It was an agreement between Russia, the US, Britain, and France to split it up. The people in Germany did not want to be split up. They wanted their own country but that was not going to be allowed because of what happened in two wars.

Putin is showing the world how to a control a puppet like Trump...compliment his fragile ego and watch him dance.

Trump is not cozy with Russia or Putin. He just tries to avoid WWIII. Trump's wife is from Slovenia which is a NATO country, unlike Ukraine and Belarus which are not.

a reply to: Ohanka

I don't think a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel is likely, unless some totally bat# leader, like a doomsday cultist Imperial Zionist, or a Shia Caliphate Jihadist take power in those countries.

Really, you don't feel like BeeBee and Ali Khamenei are just what you described?

Trump the little twitterbitch is completely out of his league on the international scale. It's gonna get ugly....Putin is playing trump like a $10 fiddle.
It's embarrassing!!

a reply to: olaru12

Netanyahu is certainly a Zionist. Practically every Israeli leader has been. But I don't think he's keen on starting a nuclear Armageddon war because God told him to. Hopefully he'll be out of office and replaced by someone more moderate anyway.

Ali Khamenei doesn't seem much of a Shia Caliphate Jihadist. If he is then he's certainly taking his time in launching the faithful into a war to reconquer the Holy Land from the heretics and apostates. He just seems to want to ensure Iran's safety and expand their influence in the region, which he's been doing quite successfully.

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

It's not hard to see why people see the left and the right as a joke.

Where the hell did all the real conservatives go?

The Tea Party came and populism became the in thing. You now have to bow to what Trump wants or be shamed publicly on the alter of Twitter.

Right now the answer to that question is... "Who doesn't want to be like Trump?".

People think they are preventing a nuclear war or WWIII. But the reality is Putin is playing his part gathering intel making him that much more resilient for when the day comes and he decides to make his move.

Putin doesn't need Trump to steal US tech. Russia is building PAK FA which is better than F-22. It was Obama who terminated F-22 production.

a reply to: gpols

It's not hard to see why people see the left and the right as a joke.

It's astonishing really....a few short years ago, Trump would be called a traitor by real conservatives for his current actions.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Ohanka

I don't think a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel is likely, unless some totally bat# leader, like a doomsday cultist Imperial Zionist, or a Shia Caliphate Jihadist take power in those countries.

Really, you don't feel like BeeBee and Ali Khamenei are just what you described?

Trump the little twitterbitch is completely out of his league on the international scale. It's gonna get ugly....Putin is playing trump like a $10 fiddle.
It's embarrassing!!

You mean like you thought Hillary was when you said Trump would drop out of the race before the debates?