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posted on Dec, 28 2016 @ 05:46 PM
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a reply to: Gaussq

Real Kool !!

I wonder who the "Beast of the East" in the U.S. was/is ?

I can guess 2.





posted on Dec, 28 2016 @ 07:19 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyElohim

I am not the one that is ignoring history and facts. We know that people like you would love for this type of discussion, among many others to be suppressed.. That's the radical leftist in you screaming to get your authoritarian side out and demand people dismiss history and facts.

Several high ranking Russian officials spoke of this communist master plan. Such as Yuri Bezmenov, Colonel Stanislav Lunev, Jan Sejna, and Anatoliy Golitsyn amongst others.

In 1984 Anatoliy Golitsyn wrote a book about this master plan, and many of the goals he stated were part of the plan have come to pass.

The following article was posted in 1990 by Dr. Dennis R. Papazian.


November 14, 1990

Nagorno-Karabag: A Case Study in "Perestroika"
by Dennis R. Papazian, Ph.D.
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Golitsyn maintains that the goals of the master plan were to provide a more profound political stabilization of individual communist regimes by developing wider mass support, the rectification of economic weakness of the bloc by increased international trade and the acquisition of credits and high technology from the West, the creation of a substructure for an eventual world federation of communist states, political isolation of the US from its allies, developing influence among socialists in Western Europe and Japan, the dissolution of NATO, and an alignment between the Soviet Union and a neutral, preferably socialist, Western Europe; concerted action with nationalist leaders in the Third World to eliminate Western influence as a preliminary to absorbing them in a communist federation, shifting the balance of power in favor of the Communist world, and the ideological disarmament of the West to create favorable conditions for convergence of East and West on communist terms.3 "
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The final phase of the master plan, according to Golitsyn, is a disinformation and deception campaign of such magnitude that it would be "beyond the imagination of Marx, or the practical reach of Lenin, and unthinkable to Stalin. Among such previously unthinkable stratagems are the introduction of false liberalization in Eastern Europe and, probably, the Soviet Union, and the exhibition of spurious independence on the part of the regimes in Romania, Czechoslovakia, and Poland.
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umdearborn.edu...


I am not sure if Russia is still part of it, after all Putin and the new regime is made up of the same people who were part of the U.S.S.R. But it is possible they have changed their minds. It's not a good idea to trust Putin completely either, I know he is no angel. But socialism/communism has been slowly implemented into the U.S. If Bernie Sanders had been elected it would have been a complete conversion. Hillary would not have been far behind in these goals.



Even though the video above is long, at least people should listen to the first 20 minutes to see many of the things Bezmenov talks about are true to this day. Between taking away responsibility from criminals, and instead blaming society, to blaming police officers always, and military personnel meanwhile "criminals" being treated with respect which in fact to this day real criminals have more rights than regular citizens. This is part of the subversion of western societies. Yet some people want to ignore these facts, which we see them alive today, and want to claim "it is only a hoax"...

But like always, the radical leftwists love to dismiss, and ignore all the facts, as well as history, and they hide behind a plethora of rhetoric which has no meaning and which only purpose is to attack the messenger.

The plan worked so well that we see the embracing of such socialist/communist ideals in universities, and in government. We see to this day for example how BLM uses "white guilt" to impose their extremist communist views as they expel "white people" from their jobs and demand "more black people who are leftists should be in power". We see them using the claim "that their feelings are hurt so people who oppose leftist views should not express their opinion". In general the subversion is alive and we can see it doing very well to this day.

But, for these extremist leftists it doesn't matter how many times socialism and communism have been shown not to work, and to only be capable of suppressing all dissent, and suppress and destroy the human spirit. It doesn't matter to these radical leftists how many millions of people socialism and communism murdered and imprisoned. To them "we have to keep trying socialism/communism because it is for the good of all".





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posted on Dec, 28 2016 @ 07:55 PM
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originally posted by: BrokedownChevy

originally posted by: JohnnyElohim
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Being ignorant of political science as so many of the far-right zealots on ATS are does not via alchemy convert hoaxes and lies into truth. This monolithic notion of socialism is on par with the intellectual acheivement of an average 5 year-old. Ignorance about the far-right nature of the Nazi program is not a replacement for reading comprehension and a basic knowledge of history. Persistently repeating this filth is not an excuse for being able to construct a rational argument with rational sources. I'm sure you don't provide those because you are well aware that only far-right zealots make these arguments in the first place. Every mainstream source says quite the opposite. You simpy excuse the preponderance of evidence by saying, in essence, if it doesn't agree with your extremist views it must be the work of commies. I do realize, of course, that you get your requisite quota of back-patting from similar extremists and zealots here on ATS, but thankfully this nonsense is shut down everywhere that adults convene.

This. Is. A. Hoax.


Well put.

This is how the mind of the "alt right"/political fanatic/conspiracy theorist operates. Your post should be used as a disclaimer before anyone enters this site. The conspiracy theory community is so confused. Everyday their story changes and not a single one of their cockamamie half brained theories ever comes to fruition. This should be evidence enough, but this objective observation of the conspiracy theorists persistent failure is entirely blocked out. I truly believe that people who create patterns where there are none have minds that are not capable of functioning at the adult level. This leads to societal rejection and why we have what we have today. These people often lose their jobs as their focus is not on work, but more pointed on a deep sense of insecurity. "Everyone is out to get me". You can't possibly be successful in this state of mind. Another reason why Trump is awful, he takes advantage of these poor folks, but thats a whole other discussion...


Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I would offer that the issue is, in fact, more complicated. The underlying problem is not a partisan one. It is a basic misfire in human cognition and it happens to everyone. It is a marriage of heuristics on steroids and tribal affinity. The only thing that is fundamentally held to be true is "our group good, their group bad." What follows is a free-wheeling inductive process wherein perceived patterns that confirm the primary tenant are identified, they are accepted with little or no judgement. When an assertion is demonstrated to be false, one of two things typically occurs:

1) What I'd call the "Horseshoes and Hand Grenades Fallacy". xuenchen embodies this above. The argument becomes "well, who cares if it is technically true -- it's close enough, isn't it?". This is not so much a moving of goalposts as it is a widening of goal posts until the goal spans one end of the field. What exactly is true enough? If there is no organized plot by communists to destroy America using these tenets, what must be meant by this is that liberals are godless commie bastards, so surely this chicken-and-egg question is merely nitpicking! The throughline, here, is that we must and we will condemn people with liberal convictions, one way or another.

2) The falsehood is quietly abandoned, likely to be reintroduced somewhere down the line. This was powerfully clear to me in the case of #PizzaGate, where a point would be raised to me which I'd not just disarm but moreover show to be fraudulent: that video wasn't actually filmed there, that art was never actually hanging there, those pictures weren't actually from the owner's Instagram, and so on. Each time an assertion was dispatched, the reply would be, essentially: "But but but, what about this one?! Surely you can't argue with this!" And when I could indeed find the lie in the next point, the cycle would repeat until presumably this became tiring for my interloctuer who would abandon the thread. I would find them repeating the same claims the following day in another thread. The truth is the villain, not the evidence.

The so called "facts" are not facts at all, they are weaponized stories that keep the base riled and on a bad day persuade people who probably need professional help to do things like show up at Comet Ping Pong with a firearm. I have seen liberals engage in many of these same behaviors on subjects like GMO, identity politics, and anti-vaxx. For reasons I'll not try to adequately describe here, it seems that when conservatives engage in these behaviors the outcomes seem to imply the need to eliminate or curtail a minority group whilst liberals are more likely to unquestioningly believe that majority groups have acquired their power through foul means and should be made to redistribute it or otherwise "correct the balance". I believe the latter is much less fundamentally dangerous to a society because the threatened party posseses the majority of the power and is in a position to argue, delay, negotiate, or prevent changes not to their liking in many cases. So, liberal zealots just don't get their way as often whilst conservative zealots need only roll in the wrong direction to crush a few babies, if you will.

But I think it's important to note that the logical end of the conspiracy theories that tend to be popular on the right is the need for mass graves for one reason or another. Mass conspiracy of pedophilia! Insurgent communists destroying our democracy! There is a vasillation between the positions of whether people like me must be eliminated because we are simply too stupid to sit at the adult's table, or if it's because we are evil beyond comprehension. Rarely is there a negotiation.



The real conspiracy is how much money ATS makes from this particular group of people through their "donations" and advertising. I despise this place and only post to let others know the truth. Interestingly enough, my other theory is proving to be correct at this point. The "ATS is supported by white supremacists" theory. I've found a boatload of white supremacist blog posts that are directly linked to ATS and the majority of content that is posted here. It's actually quite shocking. It's far too similar like how Melania stole lines off Michelle. That bad.

Let's see if my post is censored. They're all for free speech until someone messes with their scam. Mods buy into it too. Perhaps unknowingly. Perhaps not.


I tend to suspect that the management and moderation of ATS reflects many different viewpoints and that the dictates against hate speech and political trolling are not hollow ones, but that the follow through on these noble intentions is a fraught course because the people who participate in these things constitute significant ad revenues. Less malice and more the challenges of balancing a business and a community against one's ideals and better angels. On top of that, there are a lot of moderators with varying political views who clearly have the latitude to moderate as they see fit. I have my theories on why this board has attracted so many far-right extremists, but this post is already long enough.
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posted on Dec, 28 2016 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You clearly have a very difficult time grasping the fact that the Third Reich was a far-right regime by the measure of every legitimate historican and political scientist, so there's at least one potent example of you stuffing your fingers in your ears and shouting whatever serves to support your routine villification of lefties. You obviously struggle to understand that wanting to control a woman's right to abort a fetus or demand that marriage by reserved only for those who share your lifestyle are authoritarian leanings. Just like drug prohibition. All of which are stalwart planks in the platform of the American Right (the latter of which is also a sin of the left, though things are getting better). I do understand that it's very hip and all to accuse the opposition of exactly that which you are doing as a befuddling and "clever" distraction, but it's old hat at this point and you folks are going to need some new tricks. The left is still here and isn't trying to steal your babies or destroy the country. You've thrown out a grab bag of accusations about the actions of various people you assess to be on the left with no sources or context (another popular tactic), and it's simply not worth responding to.

No one is silencing you, but no one has to listen to you, either.



posted on Dec, 28 2016 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyElohim

You clearly have a very difficult time grasping the fact that the Third Reich was a far-right regime by the measure of every legitimate historican and political scientist, so there's at least one potent example of you stuffing your fingers in your ears and shouting whatever serves to support your routine villification of lefties.
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No, it is people like you who continue not understanding that the NAZIS were national socialists... and not just in name... This is exactly the same type of claim that socialists and communists say about "socialism/communism has never been implemented" which is nothing more than a lie made by people, like yourself, who are not willing to find fault in their "beliefs".


11/11/2005George Reisman
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The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.
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mises.org...

Your argument is the same one as those people who claim that Mussolini was also conservative, I am certainly you "believe it yourself", but this is nothing but a lie. He was a socialist, and from socialism fascism sprang.

Left-wing scholars, and professors try to claim that the NAZIS were right-wing, but let's see if that argument makes sense...

The NAZIS were the first environmental extremists. They were the first to introduce "nature reserves", and passed numerous laws on animal rights.

In fact, in April 23, 1933 the NAZIS outlawed the Jewish ritual kashrut, which the NAZIS used to paint Jewish people as cruel, and inhuman.

The NAZIS set up a propaganda campaign to slander, and attack the Jewish people and paint them to the rest of the Germans as people who did not deserve to live.

In 1940 the German the NAZIS showcased a film titled “The Eternal Jew”. This film "reveals a strong green rationalization based on animal rights for the looming destruction of the Jews."


by Mark Musser on February 15, 2010


The shocking climax of the infamous 1940 Nazi documentary film entitled “The Eternal Jew” stunningly reveals a strong green rationalization based on animal rights for the looming destruction of the Jews. According to Nazi ideology, the so-called “eternal Jew” is the transcendent Jew who tries to live above Nature through economics and capitalism in the west, or through politics and communism in the east.
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To the Nazis, the Jews had become a wandering and threatening invasive species because of their steadfastness to universal transcendent values in opposition to the Social Darwinian evolutionary laws of Nature. They were ‘eternal’ vagabonds, uprooted from Nature and destructive to local national populations with alien economic practices and politics. Hence, Nazi ideologues complained both about the “un-German spirit of commerce” and the “liberal-Marxist rationalism” that alienated German culture from Nature-all as a crisis instigated by the Jews. In fact, the Nazis actually believed that the sick modern world of both international capitalism and communism, led by Jews and spread by Christianity, was entirely disobedient to Nature.
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Historians have either overlooked or forgotten that sweeping Nazi environmental laws, all signed by Hitler and considered to be his pet projects, preceded the racially charged Nuremberg Laws, reflecting the fact that Nazi racism was rooted in ecology
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www.aim.org...

The fact that Hitler and the rest of the NAZIS were against minority groups like the Jewish people, does not make the NAZIS any less socialist.

Heck, even Marx was a known anti-semite, and he frequently attacked Jewish people himself. All one has to look at is the writings of Marx "On the Jewish question" to see that Marx hated the Jewish people as much as Hitler did.

Before you try to take my comments out of context I am not saying Hitler was a Marxist... Hitler was a national socialist, who saw minorities as an insult to "his rational environmentalist" views.

For crying out loud even the majority of the points in the "25-point Program of the NSDAP" were socialist in nature.


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The 25-point Program of the NSDAP
We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the people's right to self-determination.
We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.
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All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently, we demand:
Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore, we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
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en.wikipedia.org...

(btw, I am just showing some of the points because ATS now will take 50 points if you excerpt more than 2 paragraphs from an outside source...)

But I am certain you will dismiss all of this and continue with your asinine diatribe to simply dismiss anything and everything that dispels your claims.



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posted on Dec, 29 2016 @ 12:20 AM
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a reply to: Gaussq

Apart from the very well thought out sentence structure this is clearly what has been occurring since the beginning of time. Its very clear and not hidden. It is obvious we all worry about things that do not matter and not one of us realise that this is all blanket over our eyes. Thing is, it is no big conspiracy. It can be seen in plain sight. We allow others to conquer us. Yet do not wish to fill those boots themselves. We do not need leaders however, or figureheads. Its all a chess game, waiting to be knocked over and set up again. Be the board.



posted on Dec, 29 2016 @ 12:40 AM
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The EU fits many points of the OP.


As for fake news - that is itself a distraction. By making it an issue, several things are and will happen:

* People are distracted by this non-issue
* People will see "fake" news where it doesn't exist, whilst ignoring propaganda
* People will blindly demand an end to "fake" news, without questioning how it is achieved
* The "solution" to fake news, will be more propaganda pushed as legitimate news

It's classic distraction and problem/solution techniques. Create a problem, offer a solution.

The problem with the internet is it is too easy with the ever increasingly concentrated sources of information (Google, Facebook, Twitter) to make disappear unofficial sources of information. Worse yet, the technology is already in place, and already being exploited to make it appear to the poster that the information is visible, when in fact no-one can see it. This is referred to as shadow-banned content.

blog.dilbert.com...

blog.dilbert.com...

There are many other examples of "shadow banning", not only on Twitter, but Facebook and elsewhere, too. I think my own posts elsewhere are also shadow banned, as I'm often posting about alternative topics or being critical of the status quo and no-one comments, yet I'll post something trivial or reply to another post that is visible, and many people will respond.

Anyone who thinks free speech is still alive online needs to re-think their position. It's dying, by force.
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posted on Dec, 29 2016 @ 01:44 AM
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The Nazis were socialists.

The Nazis operated a planned economy. They certainly didn't have a capitalist economy - that came after the end of WW2. The "Fourth Reich" is thought to exist through several German companies and banks, and the reason Germany has such a huge interest in not only the EU, but the Eurozone, and the reason why they are so tightly in control of the bail-outs for other Eurozone members.



posted on Dec, 29 2016 @ 05:06 AM
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This bezmenov dead in 1993. you do not see the thing that humanity consists of two different genetic types. it is in all countries including even the savages. if there is a blue cannibalism eats red if there is a poverty of blue robbed or stolen from the red, if the war is a conspiracy of blue on both sides to kill red
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posted on Dec, 29 2016 @ 09:40 AM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

wait what? how is a very very simple strategy for subversion and takeover a hoax? its just strategy..



posted on Dec, 29 2016 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Yes, I can source Wikipedia as well:

en.wikipedia.org...



National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsɪzəm, ˈnæ-/[1]), is the ideology and practice associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party and Nazi state, as well as other far-right groups. Usually characterised as a form of fascism that incorporates scientific racism and antisemitism, Nazism developed out of the influences of Pan-Germanism, the Völkisch German nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary groups that emerged during the Weimar Republic after German defeat in World War I.


Your argument is ignorant and reductive. The fact that the Nazi platform had a social plank in it (if you were Aryan and German, that is) does not change the lion's share of what they were about: nationalism, exceptionalism, conformity, authoritarianism, and violence. Nazis were both anti-Marxist and anti-Capitalist. What they meant by Socialist was that the economy would be managed by the Nazi government to ensure the good of the German people so that manufacturing couldn't be moved to other countries, taking jobs from German workers. Sound familiar? But theories of economic management are only one component of an ideology. The most profound and affecting components of Nazi ideology -- the hatred of the other, of the immigrant, of the Jew, of the queer -- these things are the vices of the far right.

It is a dishonest shell game you play acting as though caring about the environment and the treatment of animals is the big reveal, permanently marrying the ill deeds of the Nazis with concerns of modern liberals. It is a violence-incurring lie, a foolish game played by you and yours which played to its ends concludes with blood. Speaking of the Nazis in their day, this #PizzaGate nonsense, this the-left-are-trying-to-destroy us hysteria, are the modern equivalent of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

You claim to be a Christian, but you come here to preach lies and hate. If your maker is real, he would not be pleased.



posted on Dec, 29 2016 @ 12:56 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyElohim
Your argument is ignorant and reductive. The fact that the Nazi platform had a social plank in it (if you were Aryan and German, that is) does not change the lion's share of what they were about: nationalism, exceptionalism, conformity, authoritarianism, and violence. Nazis were both anti-Marxist and anti-Capitalist. What they meant by Socialist was that the economy would be managed by the Nazi government to ensure the good of the German people so that manufacturing couldn't be moved to other countries, taking jobs from German workers. Sound familiar? But theories of economic management are only one component of an ideology. The most profound and affecting components of Nazi ideology -- the hatred of the other, of the immigrant, of the Jew, of the queer -- these things are the vices of the far right.


Please do us a bullet point breakdown of each one of those 'this is what right wing does' talking points there in light of how things were done in Communist Russia, with links.



posted on Dec, 29 2016 @ 01:17 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

You and your lot are the ones trying to argue that the overwhelming preponderance of historians and political scientists are wrong in their assessment that Nazi ideology is the offspring of far-right politics. You are making the extraordinary claim. You require the extraordinary proof. Why should I furnish to you anything at all about Communist Russia? I'm not the one trying to perform the magic trick of magically turning Nazi Germany into a parable warning us of where liberal politics will lead.



posted on Dec, 29 2016 @ 02:48 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyElohim

All I did was ask you to explain how each one of those are exclusive to "right wing", and even gave you the easiest possible singular reference point.

Since the analysis would show that the bulk of those items could also be found in Soviet Russia, I get why you'd have a hard time actually taking me up on the challenge, although surprised you'd give up so easily.

Seriously, I just happened to jump in at the 'lastpost' and saw what you were saying and did a quick response. Still need to read the OP what I really meant to open the thread for. Was your post there even on topic? Oh, dont respond to this I'd really love to see you tackle my initial challenge, or at least refine you listing of why Nazism was "right wing" NOT "left wing" (because nationalism being a right wing thing is a liberal globalist invention, and all globalism does is replace nationalism with an even more grandiose social construct to worship).


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posted on Dec, 29 2016 @ 03:07 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I am not in the business of providing evidence of something as elementary of gravity to proto-fascists like yourself. Once again: you are making the extraordinary claims, you need to provide the extraordinary evidence. I have no intention of falling into the trap of arguing your strawman. Here is what I said:



The most profound and affecting components of Nazi ideology -- the hatred of the other, of the immigrant, of the Jew, of the queer -- these things are the vices of the far right.


Anti-immigrant paranoia, anti-Semitism, homophobia, and so on, are indeed vices of the far-right. That does not mean the world is as polar as you suggest. It does not mean that a Communist cannot also be an anti-Semite. You've set what you think to be a clever trap for me but it relies on me accepting your reductionist worldview. I don't.



posted on Dec, 29 2016 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: elliotmtl
Here is a detailed account of the actual origin of the document. It's a hoax but that's not to say that the principles outlined are not legitimate and in active use by multiple global powers.

www.historycommons.org...


Declaring it a hoax officially is so laughable in the face of these things being our reality. Number 11 where the guns are registered for future confiscation is the one left to finalize the plan it appears. Kinda not too coincidental if 10 out of 11 have been clearly happening. I expect the anti to deflect of course.

(my tag at the bottom has been Sun Tzu quotes the entire time here)



posted on Dec, 29 2016 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: ReVoLuTiOn76
Its the jews.

No its the NWO cultist who think they know what is best for the people and that we unwashed masses types are mere fodder for the experiments they conduct on the way to their quest for ultimate power. Jews are victims too. Even if some are Jews in on it like Soro's appears to be, it means nothing. Truly evil/diabolical people don't worship a God of hope and love.



posted on Dec, 29 2016 @ 04:59 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyElohim
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I am not in the business of providing evidence of something as elementary of gravity to proto-fascists like yourself. Once again: you are making the extraordinary claims, you need to provide the extraordinary evidence. I have no intention of falling into the trap of arguing your strawman. Here is what I said:



The most profound and affecting components of Nazi ideology -- the hatred of the other, of the immigrant, of the Jew, of the queer -- these things are the vices of the far right.


Anti-immigrant paranoia, anti-Semitism, homophobia, and so on, are indeed vices of the far-right. That does not mean the world is as polar as you suggest. It does not mean that a Communist cannot also be an anti-Semite. You've set what you think to be a clever trap for me but it relies on me accepting your reductionist worldview. I don't.


Are you under the impression I'm posting in this thread under multiple accounts, or what? What EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS am I making? I saw you make assertions and called you to task on them!

By the way, the globalist liberal tune you guys all march to these days: your straight cis white male bashing "PATRIARCHY CONSPIRACY" theory obsessionism is damn near precisely the same as the Nazi's vs. the JEW CONSPIRACY theory.

And if being weary of excessive immigration is a "right wing" thing then how do you explain places like Communist China/Korea/Cuba???

Likewise, homophobia, anti-semitism, etc have been plenty abundant across take your pick Communist dystopia's. So does that make them all "right wing" tooooooo????



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posted on Dec, 29 2016 @ 05:33 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyElohim

What?... Nationalism is not just a right-wing political movement... Being nationalist doesn't make a country or movement right-wing... Take for instance the difference between Lenin and Stalin. Lenin, and Trotsky wanted to implement "global socialism" or "international socialism", meanwhile Lenin wanted and pursued" national socialism".

BTW, did you actually know that Gandhi was a national socialist? His political activism started as violent as well as that of many other national socialists. You keep on trying to claim members like me are lying, and are ignorant, when it seems obvious you keep showing ignorance on this topic and keep making red herrings filled with nothing but nonsense.

For crying out loud it is no secret that Stalin ordered the death of Trotsky, who wrote about this himself, and to this day there is more than enough suspicion on the death of Lenin that it is very possible that Stalin was behind it.

Authoritarianism goes well with socialism and communism, because the state owns the means of production, the people can't own anything that can mass produce, or the government ordered exactly what should be built, and how to distribute it. Hitler took away businesses from most Jewish people and other minority groups in Germany, and he forced industries to make what "was needed for the nation and for the good of all". To this day the Wolswagen (the people's car) is an example of how the NAZIS manipulated industry. The only "free enterprise" that existed in Germany survived if they did everything the NAZIS told them to do. Some business owners did it willingly, others were forced or their businesses would be taken from them.

If you were to watch/read Schindler's list you will see an example of the NAZIS forcing business owners to build what and how the NAZIS wanted "for the good of all".

Redistribution of these items was done by the state, and the prices were set by the socialist NAZI state.

As for " exceptionalism, conformity, and violence"... What the hell are you on about now?... You can find all three of them under socialism and communism...


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posted on Dec, 29 2016 @ 05:48 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyElohim

Yet more false rhetoric... The only historians and political scientists who keep claiming this are all left-wing... There are plenty of non-left-wing historians and political scientists who point out the fact that Hitler's and Mussolini's policies were socialist in nature...


"The line between fascism and Fabian socialism is very thin. Fabian socialism is the dream. Fascism is Fabian socialism plus the inevitable dictator." John T. Flynn

keynesatharvard.org...

BTW, here is some information on the author of that article...


Zygmund Dobbs was one of the great Old Right Conservative activists of the 20th Century. Raised in a communist household, and an active Trotskyite in his early years, he would become a fierce and articulate opponent of communism. Even more importantly, his research led the way in exposing a greater threat—the slow, incremental march of Fabian socialism.
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www.keynesatharvard.org...

Fascism is a collectivist doctrine, like every other socialist/communist ideology are.

BTW, do you even know why the nazi German flag was mostly red?



Red flag (politics)
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The plain red flag is often used at socialist or communist rallies, especially on International Workers' Day.

In politics, a red flag is a symbol of socialism, communism, and left-wing politics; it has been associated with left-wing politics since the French Revolution (1789–99).[1] Socialists adopted the symbol during the Revolutions of 1848 and it became a symbol of communism as a result of its use by the Paris Commune of 1871.
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en.wikipedia.org...(politics)

en.wikipedia.org...#/media/File:Flag_of_the_NSDAP_(1920%E2%80%931945).svg



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