originally posted by: Box of Rain
originally posted by: Hermit777
a reply to: Arbitrageur
115 has been confirmed see my post to Playswiththings
New Periodic Table
i have comments to you at the bottom of that post
Back in the days when Lazaar claims to have been doing this work, the THEORETICAL EXISTENCE of element 115 was a commonly held idea. Some versions of
the periodic table at the time contained a place-holder for this unconfirmed element. All Lazaar had to do was read a few basic textbooks or science
magazines to have known about the theoretical existence of element 115.
The idea that element 115 probably existed was basic stuff that almost anyone could have known about at the time, just like today the idea that (say)
the yet-to-be-confirmed element 120 probably exists. Science believes that element 120 does in fact exist.
I can make the claim right now that element 120 can be used to make cheap and green power. If they confirm the existence of element 120 sometime in
the future, that does not mean that my mention of it in this post is necessarily prophetic or meaningful.
...And neither was Lazaar's references to element 115.
Here's a link to an article pondering what the periodic table should look like with the additions of not-yet-discovered-but-believed-to-exist elements
after element 118:
Where in the Periodic Table Will We Put Element
Before you jump in read all the posts first. I was replying to specific comments that were made about those elements, the original poster said that
those elements were not proven to exist. Hence, the New updated Periodic Table.
Physicists do NOT "Believe" we make calculations, Brainstorm and make Hypothesis and Theories. And in all cases we test the Math. We do NOT
This tells me your are not a Physicist or Scientist Believe is not part of the Scientific Method, Believe is a Null Word.
Not sure when B.L. made career ending statements ( That i do not subscribe to nor do i condone, i have seen no proof, just words ) but it was in the
Mid to Late 70's and again he was an engineer not a Physicist, so his descriptions (or imagination) of those elements may have been Nebulous. And
using B.L. in discussions such as these is beating a dead horse
, which is why i have reacted to it.
His [B.L.] credibility does not in any way remove the option, or design of Space Propulsion based in part on the Very Heavy Elements 113 115 etc.
It is an Excellent "Thought Experiment".
To make it real one would have to either make it or find those Very Rare Earths. But to create the
engine in ones mind is not precluded.
People (like me) were working on the Math to Predict the possible existence of elements to 121, in 1968. But those things along with "String Theory"
were considered Dead ends at best, Heresy at worst. So when it came to "Very Heavy Elements", many of the papers (e.g. My paper) went from the point
of View of the energy required (e.g. Supernova) to make those elements and Hypothesizing the Characteristics of those very same "Very Heavy
So saying it was common agreement that those element existed in 1968, Ah NO. Hypothesizing on these and other things were "Thought
, Mental Gymnastics, and learning how to do experiments in our heads, some of us dared to think outside of the box.
Sorry this tells me about your post,
1. you did not read the originals posters comments about these elements
2. Your phrasing suggests you are not a scientist you would not have used the word Believe.
3. You were not there at the time, meaning you are dealing with History not your own. Not memories.
Physics and Belief, a story:
Albert Einstein was at a "TO-DO" at Princeton College in NJ. (Where he Lived). He was asked 2 simultaneous questions:
One was from a nice lady, wife of someone, she asked "You are such a Famous Scientist and the smartest man alive, but do you believe in G-D?"
The other was from a budding young Physicist who asked, "Professor, what do you think of Quantum Mechanics?"
Old Albert looked at both and simply stated, (in english) "My G-D does not play Dice with the Universe." He mumbled the german first.
edit on 16-2-2017 by Hermit777 because: Complete Thoughts Grammer