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Cancer, the disease that we cannot cure (ever?) but we CAN treat people!

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posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 03:26 AM
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a reply to: frenchfries



Interesting , Indeed controlling PH of cancercells might be a great step in the good direction though.

I was not saying that directly controlling the pH is what is required, not exactly what I meant. What is required is to control what is producing all those protons. Lowering of pH is mostly the effect and not the cause. It is true that there seem to exist some positive feedback involved, the lower pH "stress" nearby cells and help the cancer process.

What cause the low pH seem to be the overproduction of Lactic acid. It seem also that the low pH help at disabling the T-cell at recognizing bad cancer cells. So to speak the low pH in the tumor micro-environment help and serve well the purpose of the tumor, but if you want usefull effect, you must block the mechanism that produce all that Lactic acid in the first place. Merely neutralizing all these protons will help but the tumor will literally laught at you and adapt to the new situation. Sometime, cancer cells can stop their metabolism and stay in "sleep mode" waiting for the insult(s) to disapear.

One point I may propose to strengthen my argumentation is the process of metastasis. This is just one or bunch of couple cells that detach and migrate elsewhere in the body to create a secondary tumoral site, being just a few bunch of cell, there is no significant tumoral micro-environment shielding itself from the pH of the blood to allow for an acidic pH, but this small bunch of cancerous cell are still capable to develop in a full blown tumor. To me it indicate that a tumor can survive being at physiologic pH level.




posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 03:35 AM
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a reply to: frenchfries



Yeah ...this site did crap on linus pauling a long time ago as I remember...
If it comes to research I rather talk with scientists than ATS'ers

Many tend to forget that Pauling received TWO Nobel back in the time when Nobel price were worth their weight in gold. Also very easy to forget that HE IS the father of modern biochemistry.

He probably understood the effect of ROS (Reactive oxygen species) and the mitigating effect of antioxidant like vitamin C.

ROS is an important topic in cancer cell understanding.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 03:40 AM
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a reply to: InFriNiTee


My theory is that to totally eliminate the fungus, you have to take something that can destroy the chitin/keratin armor that the mycobactera produces.

Simply adopt a diet low in carbs to avoid feeding it and eat coconut oil. This oil have a component called Lauric acid that is very toxic to C. albicans.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 04:12 AM
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a reply to: Cofactor




this small bunch of cancerous cell are still capable to develop in a full blown tumor. To me it indicate that a tumor can survive being at physiologic pH level.


Good point I do understand there must be more involved than ph level alone ,... maybe it's (PH) is just a cofactor pun intended.




Sometime, cancer cells can stop their metabolism and stay in "sleep mode" waiting for the insult(s) to disapear.


Just Curious changes the PH of the cancertissue in sleepmode ?

What I understand from your comment the most important is that :
'One must block the mechanism that produce all that Lactic acid in the first place.'.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 04:17 AM
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Main Stream Medicine will NEVER ALLOW Cancer to be cured. Just think of the economic impact. What would happen if all of a sudden a BILLION DOLLAR industry suddenly collapsed?


I agree... Cancer is big B. Old research still Chemo therapy. However I think that science eventually will offer an solution.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 04:37 AM
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What I understand from your comment the most important is that : 'One must block the mechanism that produce all that Lactic acid in the first place.'.

This is exact, interfering with lactic acid production and transmembrane movement would be a big steep ahead but sadly, probably not sufficient.

As said before, some tumor are made of more than one type of cancer cell. Ex. breast cancer have a component made of stromal cancer cell that use fermentation as energy source converting glucose to lactic acid. That lactic acid is excreted, and being a small molecule, it can propagate toward center of tumor where another component is present, epithelial based cancer cell, that have a complimentary metabolism and very active mitochondrion, these will use the lactic acid as fuel. These epithelial cancerous cell then in return provide oxidative stress to nearby stromal cell, making them to produce lactic acid. A win-win situation for the tumor.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 04:41 AM
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originally posted by: LonnyZone
Here it is, looks like you need to register with that website to read that pdf.


Thank you! How strange this is a book, and not an article on cancer research done by Frenchfries friend....



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 05:24 AM
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For everyone who is truly interested in potential cancer cures, you should look into the studies they're doing into an actual "universal cure".

I know what you're going to say. "All cancers are different". That's true, but here's the kicker. They all have something in common. Mitochondria. That's what gets turned off so the cancer cells don't die. Turning it back on, might be the key to a "universal cure".

a very interesting read
edit on 27122016 by TerryDon79 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 07:31 AM
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Even though the clinical trials have not shown that antibiotics eradicate cancer stem cells, they did show the therapeutic effects of antibiotics were present even when patients had no infection and in some cases it increased patients survival from 45% to 75% percent. What I find incredible is that the used Doxycycline, which is one of the most common (and cheap) antibiotics.

Hopefully Lisanti and his team will get enough funding to carry out more and bigger clinical trials.

Original study (full text & graphs).



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 07:48 AM
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originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: frenchfries
a reply to: TerryDon79




ESPECIALLY when people don't know what they're talking about and pass off a scam artist as a professional.


I didnt pass a scam artist... You brought the subject up.. Ph is not synoniem with scam artist.


You brought up the bs line of ph killing cancer. That's from the scam artists, NOT the professionals who work in labs and do real science.

Sorry mate but you are wasting your breathe, frenchfries has no interest in the truth. Here we come head to head with faith in a belief and no amount of counter argument will ever persuade them that they are wrong. You will simple get frustrated as the argument goes round and round in circles.....which is what I am seeing here.

Let Darwinism works it's magic on those who dismiss science and embrace the scam artist.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 12:56 PM
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Too much money 💰 is being made for them to cure it, almost every major American city has a cancer hospital in it now. I'd like toknow the total amount spent and pledged to a cure its got to be in the tens of billions now like i said too muchmoney in "curing" cancer. Not to mention every cancer os diffrent.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: Czulkangg

The rest of the western world has socialised healthcare, so...



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 03:51 PM
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a reply to: TerryDon79

The concept of tumor hierarchy is fascinating and explain a lot of things.

Getting a complimentary treatment for those little CSCs bugger would be a major advance at fighting cancer.



posted on Dec, 28 2016 @ 07:45 PM
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Its an industry built on response to an illness and as we have seen is driven very much financially by the large pharamacorps like Bayer Pharma, GSK etc but the larger bodies have now broken up into new smaller entities, new names new products but the same underlying purpose: to profit both from medicine and the consumers us (via medical practitioners).

You can't blame most people working in this profession, for the most part they believe in what they have been taught and then the field they have built their entire career in so they are in effect indoctrinated (excuse the pun) to serve the pharma-corp industry.

When you are dealing with such large profits, large number of clients and consumers at a corporate level everything becomes statistics on someone's report and the people managing these businesses do not have any interests (or ability) to understand that those numbers are human beings and there are costs (again to them or rather some formula in some computer any loss is just a percentage towards a calculation).

I know this because I worked with these organisations back when life was a bit more simple and the pharmaceutical was not the monster it is now however we were aware of what was going on and most of the time it wasn't hidden it was quite obvious.

What I recommend is people research alternative treatments that can assist with chemotherapy (for recovery afterwards) and as a viable method replacing anything offered by the medical industry.

Personally I can account for proper canabanoid oils, turmeric roots (actual organic roots eaten daily), garlic clove (swallowed whole), garlic roots (organic again) and flushing the body using Himalayan Salts (a handful mixed in a 1.5 litre bottle of water will cause a natural enema of the insides which you should then top up with probiotic food items).

That last method is a great once performed 2 or 3 times a year it will flush the guts of any bad bacteria but it also removes your good bacteria so I recommend topping up with a good diet of probiotics like cottage cheese, quark cheese, good organic yogurt and lots of organic vegetables and fruits in the morning.

The most important tool is the mind, if you really want to live and heal then you have to visualise it in your mind, then say what you want (the power of words) and finally act on those intentions by following a healthy alternative (or complimentary) route with regards to medicine and recovery.

Good luck to those of us who have one foot in the dirt already (or in my case most of my leg and occasionally my face).



posted on Dec, 29 2016 @ 04:12 AM
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originally posted by: old_god
a reply to: khnum

Its an industry built on response to an illness and as we have seen is driven very much financially by the large pharamacorps like Bayer Pharma, GSK etc but the larger bodies have now broken up into new smaller entities, new names new products but the same underlying purpose: to profit both from medicine and the consumers us (via medical practitioners).

You can't blame most people working in this profession, for the most part they believe in what they have been taught and then the field they have built their entire career in so they are in effect indoctrinated (excuse the pun) to serve the pharma-corp industry.

When you are dealing with such large profits, large number of clients and consumers at a corporate level everything becomes statistics on someone's report and the people managing these businesses do not have any interests (or ability) to understand that those numbers are human beings and there are costs (again to them or rather some formula in some computer any loss is just a percentage towards a calculation).

I know this because I worked with these organisations back when life was a bit more simple and the pharmaceutical was not the monster it is now however we were aware of what was going on and most of the time it wasn't hidden it was quite obvious.

What I recommend is people research alternative treatments that can assist with chemotherapy (for recovery afterwards) and as a viable method replacing anything offered by the medical industry.

Personally I can account for proper canabanoid oils, turmeric roots (actual organic roots eaten daily), garlic clove (swallowed whole), garlic roots (organic again) and flushing the body using Himalayan Salts (a handful mixed in a 1.5 litre bottle of water will cause a natural enema of the insides which you should then top up with probiotic food items).

That last method is a great once performed 2 or 3 times a year it will flush the guts of any bad bacteria but it also removes your good bacteria so I recommend topping up with a good diet of probiotics like cottage cheese, quark cheese, good organic yogurt and lots of organic vegetables and fruits in the morning.

The most important tool is the mind, if you really want to live and heal then you have to visualise it in your mind, then say what you want (the power of words) and finally act on those intentions by following a healthy alternative (or complimentary) route with regards to medicine and recovery.

Good luck to those of us who have one foot in the dirt already (or in my case most of my leg and occasionally my face).


Another pile of nonsense.

I've said in other threads that if people like you actually believe that what you say can treat or cure people with cancer you should be willing to post your full contact details on here.
Firstly, should you be correct then you can receive the appropriate accolades (Nobel Prize etc).
Secondly, people who take your advice and don't improve (or worse) should be able to contact you so you can offer some sort of recourse.

It stands to reason that if you're offering advice then you should take some responsibility for that advice shouldn't you?



posted on Dec, 31 2016 @ 10:04 PM
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No one ever said anything about cures. I am talking about additional and alternative options that assist with things like chemotheraphy, the recovery afterwards and from other types of illnesses.

I hope that you are in very good health but take it from those that have and do suffer daily, sometimes with crippling symptoms either from their illnesses, post recovery and/or the medication you eventually look into everything and anything that can improve your current situation.

To say that the industry is not profit driven is to be completely ignorant after all we live in a globalist consumer driven world.



posted on Jan, 1 2017 @ 12:19 AM
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I don't know if anyone said medicine is not profit driven. Or was that a straw man argument?



am talking about additional and alternative options that assist with things like chemotheraphy, the recovery afterwards and from other types of illnesses.
Do you know much about treatment programs. "Mainstream" treatment programs? Hell, even back when I was cured I was provided with a slew of information about how to better endure the treatments.



posted on Jan, 1 2017 @ 01:29 AM
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I doubt its incurable in fact I think they know enough about that they can weapnise it.

read the story of Bob Marley and the pair of boots he was given.

When he tried the boots on he got a prick in his toe. a security person felt around in the boot and pulled out a bit of copper wire. Subsequently Marley got cancer in the toe concerned and eventually died from it.

ever heard of cancer in the toe?



posted on Jan, 1 2017 @ 09:44 AM
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ALM is pretty common under nails if you're dark skinned.



posted on Jan, 1 2017 @ 11:57 AM
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Do you think that if you fear it you will get it?

Do you think that maybe...humans created it....so they have something to cure? maybe to make money?

Do you think that maybe "cancer" is a business?



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