originally posted by: ezramullins
a reply to: smurfy
This is exactly the kind of thing that should be discussed on ATS.
The sources are historically accurate and the plan itself is so well
documented that no one can call it fake.
I don't feel so sure. Even here, the manipulation of the american media machine is so deeply ingrained, the truth is rarely taken into account with
Like the fact that , yes, France in particular, has the population of Muslims in some big cities growing beyond that of the white european one is
constantly misrepresented as being caused by the current movement of refugees/immigrants.
This idea is not even questioned by people here- HERE, a site dedicated to people ho claim they refuse the lies the media feeds them on a mass
No, even here, y'all just swallow that narrative hook, line and sinker.
Don't look at the history of France and their colonies in Algeria and Morocco,
The waves of immigrants invited in for labor after two world wars devastated their labor pool,
The waves that came in during the war with Algeria in 1962.
In 1962, the number of french muslims was counted at 350,000... by 1982 it was 800,000.
In 1974, the french ended their labor migration programs and put in sanctions for employers who might hire illegal immigrants.
There are real problems in this country on this score, but they are not stemming from the current wave of illegal immigrants.
The "problem" is
coming from people born in France, who have often never been to the middle east in their whole life, and yet have grown up within communities of
muslims descended from immigrants.
There is a whole history here, folks. It could be compared to white america's history of slavery- in which black communities hold a grudge against
anscestors, and the white community has a deep simmering guilt complex.
It might seem strange that the french feel it is wrong to count these muslims as if they were separate from the white community.
-Except imagine... what would be the reactions if an american politician publicly claimed there was a big problem in a city because there is a higher
ratio of black people to white people...???
Yes, we've had a few immigrants recently coming in, through Italy mainly. But the ones that want to stay here have not been a problem. The town I live
recently took in a large number, and for the first time, there are a lot of black families here. I haven't seen a rise in arabic speaking population
(it is rather low in this particular city). They have been perfectly good citizens and we have no reason to complain. I kinda like the new interaction
with these africans- they have a refreshing sense of humor, warmth, and really different, colorful ways of dressing!
But there is a problem with the growing population of french -arabs, precisely because of their attitude concerning their cultural identity (hostility
against the french). Problems such as - schools becoming required to provide meals that are only Hallal. Kids that are not muslim are being forced to
eat according to muslim law.
That is just an example out of many changes taking place, that the french are both bothered by (very attached to their traditions) and yet that deep
layer of collective guilt causes them to feel it shouldn't be discussed. They have more reason to fear the potential for slippery slopes into racism-
they ended up collaborating with the Nazi's once, and helped them commit attrocities they would rather forget about.
They don't want to do that again. Americans haven't much to shock them away from the prospect- there was japanese internment camps, but they weren't
massively gassed daily- they got out eventually. So Trumps ideas still feel less scary to you guys than to the french, who have a more intense memory
of having done such things and regretting it.
I ramble. Anyway, yeah, go ahead and believe that this situation on the other side of the world is exactly what your media tells you it is, in order
to sway your current choices on your own country. That it is a problem of having let in recent immigrants from the middle east, and you better quickly
start rounding them up in your country and killing them, otherwise you will suffer the same!
The french have been there, done that already. You guys go ahead, and see how your grand children will feel about it.
But don't be too loud in your claims of denying ignorance.
edit on 26-12-2016 by Bluesma because: (no reason given)
26-12-2016 by Bluesma because: (no reason given)