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From Messiah to King in the eyes of the RNC

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posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 09:39 AM
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a reply to: Martin75

Perhaps you should concentrate on what the lawmakers are up to. You don't seem to be clear how they will make changes you want.




posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

Perhaps you should concentrate on what the lawmakers are up to. You don't seem to be clear how they will make changes you want.


I posted their plan...what more do you want? You are the one paying your kids bills and pushing the $6,000.00 deductible as a success. I agreed with you about the pre-existing part and you started making up comments that I said. I know what I want....I don't think you understand!

Done here....pointless talking to a wall.




posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

That isn't a personal insult. It's something you can rectify. The motto of this site is Deny Ignorance. You are ignorant to the ACA bubble in Washington State and how it has failed America.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

Any bills you acquire now will be covered under the existing laws. Continue as you usually would. After a repeal, if it happens, then you need to worry about what changes.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: Martin75
Follow Free Market principles. That's it? So what insurance company will accept a person with cancer treatments or diabetes.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: raymundoko

Thank you. That is probably good advice. I will pass it along.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: Martin75

That's the thing, the people who think it's affordable are people who aren't using it. They just pay the 150 a month to avoid the 2500 fine. A 6k deductible also has a 12.5k maximum out of pocket (in some cases even higher, up to 20k)

That means that every doctors visit you pay 100% for until you reach 6k. THEN you switch to a copay, usually 20% until you reach the maximum out of pocket.

I used to have a 1500 FAMILY/1K personal deductible with a 5k maximum out of pocket. That cost me 180 a pay period and the company paid the other 200, so 800 a month (That includes Dental and Life). The closest plan I can get to that now is a 3k Family/2k personal deductible with a 8k maximum out of pocket. That costs me ~500 a pay period and the company pays another 500 (Again, that price included Dental, Vision and Life). That is 2k a month. It is that high because of my income bracket. I have been deemed the group of people who have to pay waaaaay more so that people who make less than me can pay waaaaaay less. The problem is I fall in the same bracket as about the top 20% of other american families so I got hit the hardest. The next bracket goes all they way down to 40k a year...that includes over HALF of income earners in the USA and their rates doubled on average.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: raymundoko
My daughter has diabetes. Obamacare saved her life. That means everything to the people who love her. She is a good employee, wife,,mother and worth saving. As are many other Americans you don't see. I will have different feel for Trump f he shows that understsnding about health care access.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

Oh wow, I would never ever know what you are going through what with my family history of Diabetes and Hypoglycemia. I could never understand whatsoever...I mean, I've never lost anyone to diabetes.../sarcasm

Using emotions to bolster an argument does not make the argument valid. It's a logical fallacy.

I am all for the law that prevents insurers from blocking pre-existing conditions, but I think those conditions should be linked to high premium/high deductible policies offset by tax credits.

If we fixed how much money our government wastes we could even expand medicare/medicaid to cover pre-existing conditions. I outlined a plan for that several years ago here.
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posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 10:30 AM
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a reply to: raymundoko
I feel your insurance pain!

We have what is deemed a "Cadillac" plan, which just means that they tax me higher. We are locked down and not allowed to leave the state for treatment, $1000 deductible depending on your plan for visits and $150 deducible for pharmacy. I hate to complain as I know others ended up much worse but every year they up the deductible and the monthly payments.

I wish people understood what all the ACA has done to healthcare. I don't know about your area but we are also losing doctors left and right. Why pay all the money and spend all the time needed for school if they aren't going to make money? PAs and nurse practitioners seem like the new face of health care.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: raymundoko
I was not trying to appeal to your heart. It was about my heart. And maybe Trump or a lawmaker is reading this and will hear my plea.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 10:48 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

I feel your pain, I really do. If the ACA get's repealed there has to be a provision to keep the portion concerning pre-existing conditions. That is one of the things mentioned in a source article I previously linked.

Trumps plan is to remove state borders for insurance companies which allows them to compete with each other. That will drive down costs only if the ACA is repealed. It might drive them down a tad without repealing, but I don't see how it would be enough of an impact.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: Martin75

I split my time between 3 states so I can't have a state only plan. OC Cali is dropping doctors like flies. Many private practices are no longer accepting insurance and have per visit fees, usually 45-60 dollars for wellness and 60-90 for sick care. The reason is because many insurance companies stopped paying, pay way behind or arbitrarily decide that certain coverage is no longer included.

Want to know what's funny? In Cali I switched from my normal family care doctor to one who took my insurance. It was harder than I thought to find one in network. You know what is in abundance in my network? Chiropractors and Nutritionists...I understand their function and regularly visit my Chiro, but what kind of world are we coming to when normal doctors are becoming less abundant than fringe doctors.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 10:58 AM
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a reply to: raymundoko
I work at a hospital (I work in IT) and our ER is flooded now with minor things. People can't find a doctor or can't get in for months to see them. Sadly this just creates more problems.
Then you have an ER that is overwhelmed and has a hard time dealing with their critical care that comes through the doors.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 11:02 AM
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a reply to: Martin75

How can anyone afford medical school? I know what it cost to send two for just a business degree.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 11:28 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

They afford school through student loans. The more valuable your degree the easier it is to get a loan as the college goes to bat for you (this means you excelled in HS and showed initiative and ambition). Most doctors have student loan debt for the first decade of their career which is why the joke goes that the local pharmacist drives a better car than the new doctor.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 01:31 PM
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a reply to: muzzleflash

Thanks for those kind words Flash. I agree. I will be just fine.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 01:37 PM
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a reply to: network dude

No because Jesus isn't a New King today. That was the context. He said like 2000 years ago, Today we celebrate a new king.

This really doesn't have anything to do with Trump directly. It's the RNC saying it not Trump. So I'm not even saying anything negative about Trump at all. He had nothing to do with it. It's the RNC kissing his butt.

Another reason why I don't understand why all the Trump defenders even give a damn. They don't like the RNC either.

But you see, they are in such a knee jerk reactionary mode, just mentioning Trumps name sends them in a flurry.



posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

What about people like me who hated trump during the election cycle and who are worried about the precedent his election had set for our country?

I did my job here and denied ignorance which required me to defend both Hilary and Trump many times, two candidates I despised. They are both snakes.

You are keeping those who deny ignorance active because you display so much of it.

How ironic you call his supporters knee jerk responders considering that is exactly what you did in the OP.

"Oh god, he said new king! Obvi it's a double entendre!"

You couldn't be more knee jerk.
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posted on Dec, 27 2016 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: mOjOm

What about people like me who hated trump during the election cycle and who are worried about the precedent his election had set for our country?


So what about people like you??? Do you think your special because you're worried about a Trump Presidency??? What's your point???


I did my job here and denied ignorance which requires me to defend both Hilary and Trump many times, two candidates I despised. They are both snakes.


I agree, they are both snakes. I didn't realize it was anyone's job to defend them either. But that really has nothing to do with what I'm saying here since I'm not attacking Trump or Hillary at all. If anything this is directed toward the RNC not at Trump. Trump didn't have anything to do with any of this.


You are keeping those who deny ignorance active because you display so much of it.


I'm not doing anything other than giving my opinion about something that was said by the RNC. How is that displaying "so much" ignorance??? Face it, you got caught up in the drama and the fighting over basically nothing. You feel it's your Job to come in and tell everyone what to think. Well it's not. I get to think anything I want regardless of whether or not you agree with it.

You keep coming at this and me with your superior attitude like you're so smart and that you know how to fix me and what I think but you couldn't be more incorrect in that. The fact is you let yourself get baited in to this thread just like all the Trumpies did. I figured the Trumpies would come in guns blazing and attack me. That was the whole point behind making it to start with.

I wanted them to realize what SJW's they all are always running and attacking people to defend anything at all to do with Trump. This wasn't even him. I was just a statement that may have been about him. But they still wouldn't stand for it. They felt they must change my opinion or attack me. You apparently feel the same as them. I don't know why you're doing it, but here you are.

If you want to talk ignorance, well sir, from where I sit coming here and lecturing me like you're doing after everything I've already explained here, is a pretty damn ignorant thing for you to do.




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