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originally posted by: intrptr
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: intrptr
originally posted by: Raggedyman
I don't believe Christ would allow anything to be kept intact because it would encourage idol worship
Something the Catholics are prone to do
Yah, most all religions would have us believe people, places and things are "Holy".
No, Jesus taught us nothing on earth was holy, we are all corrupted
The lie is from those who want us to worship things
Most religions, yes, ok...
Did you just sorta agree with me?
He (also 'said') we observe times, days and years, and set aside the laws of God by our traditions.
Merry christmas, pagan idol worshippers.
(backs away slowly)
originally posted by: St Udio
if that's a real picture of Jesus... then his image was more like a cartoon caricature than a human... it would be spooky to come face-to-face with that image of a face
The Avenging of the Saviour:
In the late 7th Century (680 A.D.) mention is made of the
name of Veronica and, for the first time, the Legend of the
imprinted cloth which healed the Emperor Tiberius is
outlined. The work is also referred to in the Cura
Sanitatis Tiberii - The Cure of the Emperor Tiberius and
identifies Veronica as the woman with the issue of blood as
well as mentioning the imprinted cloth. (Matthew, Mark and
In the Avenging of the Saviour we read:
"…and another woman named Veronica, who suffered
twelve years from an issue of blood, and came up to
Him behind and touched the fringe of His garment, was
Later in the text we read:
"Then they made a search about the face or portrait of
Jesus, how they might find it. And they found a woman
named Veronica who had it."
"Then they made a search with great diligence to seek
the portrait of the Lord; and the found a woman named
Veronica who had the portrait of the Lord. Then the
Emperor Tiberius said to Velosianus: How hast thou
The story goes on to say that:
"Velosianus spread out the cloth of gold on which the
portrait of the Lord had been imprinted. The Emperor
Tiberius saw it...and his flesh was cleansed ...and
all the blind, the lepers, the lame, the dumb, the
deaf and those possessed by various diseases, who
were there present, were healed and cured and
From all this we see that the Gospels talk of the woman
with the issue of blood. Eusebius mentions her again in
325. The Acts of Pilate around 380 gives her the name
Veronica (true image) and the Avenging of the Saviour (680
A.D.) identifies her as Veronica who had the imprinted
cloth with Jesus' face.
originally posted by: The angel of light
The Shroud of Turin shows also a deviation of the nose that clearly suggest a fracture, and the gospels tell us of a huge strike that he received in the face while being judged by the Sanhedrin with the cane of the supreme priest.
John 19:32-36 So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the two men crucified with Jesus. 33But when they came to Jesus, they saw that he was already dead, so they didn’t break his legs. 34One of the soldiers, however, pierced his side with a spear, and immediately blood and water flowed out. 35(This report is from an eyewitness giving an accurate account. He speaks the truth so that you also can believe.) 36These things happened in fulfillment of the Scriptures that say, “Not one of his bones will be broken,” 37and “They will look on the one they pierced.”
Exodus 12:46"It must be eaten inside the house; take none of the meat outside the house. Do not break any of the bones.
Now gather thyself in troops, O daughter of troops: he hath laid siege against us: they shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod upon the cheek.
Matthew 27:29-31 And they twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on His head. They put a staff in His right hand and knelt down before Him to mock Him, saying, “Hail, King of the Jews!” 30And they spat on Him, and took the staff and struck Him on the head repeatedly. 31After they had mocked Him, they removed the robe and put His own clothes back on Him. Then they led Him away to crucify Him.
Some of them began to spit on him. They blindfolded him and kept hitting him with their fists and telling him, "Prophesy!" Even the servants took him and slapped him around.
Matthew 26:67 Then they began to spit in Jesus’ face and beat him with their fists. And some slapped him, jeering, “Prophesy to us, you Messiah! Who hit you that time?”
John 18:22Then one of the Temple guards standing nearby slapped Jesus across the face. “Is that the way to answer the high priest?” he demanded.23Jesus replied, “If I said anything wrong, you must prove it. But if I’m speaking the truth, why are you beating me?”
John 19:1 Then Pilate had Jesus flogged with a lead-tipped whip. 2The soldiers wove a crown of thorns and put it on his head, and they put a purple robe on him. 3“Hail! King of the Jews!” they mocked, as they slapped him across the face.
They found remains of a village and “a large number of pottery vessels indicative of a highly developed pottery industry, flint tools, stone objects, as well as a number of unique artistic artifacts, among them a phallic figurine and a palette on which female genitals are schematically etched – these symbols also represented the fertility of the earth.”… A preliminary analysis of the animal bones discovered at the site shows that pigs were a principal staple in the diet of the inhabitants. Despite the biblical tribal origins stories, the evidence points to the Israelites as emerging from the native Canaanite/Amorite population, which had been engaged in phallic worship for millennia and whose predecessors did not have a taboo against pigs, obviously.
Biblical Phallic References In any event, there are many elements of phallic worship within the Bible as well, although they are shrouded by language subtleties both in the original Hebrew and more modern languages. (See, e.g., Gen 24:2, 9; 47:29) For example, at Genesis 24:2-3, 9 we read: And Abraham said to his servant, the oldest of his house, who had charge of all that he had, “Put your hand under my thigh: And I will make thee swear by the LORD, the God of heaven, and the God of the earth…”… So the servant put his hand under the thigh of Abraham his master, and swore to him concerning this matter. The Hebrew word generally translated as “thigh” or “loins” is ירך yarek, which can be defined as “outer thigh” but also refers to the “seat of procreative power,” referring to the male genitalia. Testifying in Antiquity Phallic cult object from Northern Israel at at Kfar HaHoresh, c. 6,750-8,500 BCE (Photo by Professor Nigel Goring-Morris)In antiquity, important oaths were sworn by men shaking each other’s penises, which is what we are looking at with the stories of Abraham, et al., giving testimony or testifying by holding each other’s “thighs.” In this regard, the words “testify,” “testament” or “testimony,” etc., come from the Latin root testis, which means “one who gives evidence” and “a testicle.”
Some remarkable traces of Stone Age life were unearthed recently in northern Israel, including a pit of burned bean seeds and a carving of a penis that's more than 6,000 years old, the Israeli Antiquities Authority (IAA) reported. Archaeologists are excavating at Ahihud Junction ahead of the construction of a new Israeli railroad line to the city of Karmiel.
I say this since it is well known that Satan, as well as Baal, Belzebuh among other impure spirits, reject holy objects
So you might now be wondering: What about the name Yah, then? This is the name that is found in Psalms with the phrase rendered: “hallelujah”, right? Wrong. What you didn’t know is that the word hallelujah has a meaning unknown to those who are not familiar with the Hebrew or Arabic tongues. In fact, the name Yah is derived from the four-letter YHWH (Yahweh), and according to the Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance, the name Yah means: My Ba’al. You can read it for yourself, here. You will see as you scroll down that Yah is another symbolic name for Ba’al and it also represents the Egyptian Moon god.
originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: The angel of light
...or indeed the Turin Shroud which I think we both believe authentic is the important matter,...
originally posted by: St Udio
this image is a primitive art piece... in no way or fashion comparable to the 'Shroud of Turin" icon/relic
Perhaps the most famous feature of Turin is the shroud that some believe is the winding-sheet in which Christ’s body was wrapped. A travel guidebook explains: “The most famous—and most dubious—holy relic of them all is kept in Turin’s duomo [cathedral].” It is permanently exhibited in one of the duomo’s chapels, locked in an airtight, bulletproof glass case filled with an inert gas. The book goes on to say: “In 1988, however, the myth of the shroud was exploded: a carbon-dating test showed that it dates back no farther than the 12th century.”
and no body is going to boycott them
to your own bizarre sources and try to convince us that the Devil has something to do with God.