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Problematizing Christianity.. why we and the exorcist no longer trust in Jesus Christ

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posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: Isurrender73

The bible contains demonic possession and exorcism in it...
Are you sane?


In the Old Treatment Elijah makes it clear their is no such thing as demonic power.

The priests of demons were unable to cause their alter to catch fire, because their is no demonic power. The alter of Elijah caught fire because God's power is real.

Jesus did not exorcise Demons, he cured insanity and schizophrenia. He did so with signs to help the people whose minds couldn't let go of their insanity without one.

We have freewill. We can believe in insane things and we will become insane. Demonic Possession is only real in the minds of the mentally unstable. Freewill posses the minds of the enlightened.

The prophet Mohammed concurred. In the Quan Satan admits he never had any power. The possed are following lies invented by the Catholic church, and they are insane because of what they believe.

Anyone who believes in Demonic Possession does not understand the scriptures or psychology. The scriptures agree with modern psychology.

No I am not insane, and I do not believe in insane things that cause insanity. But I do believe every word of the scriptures to be true, both spiritually and psychologically.


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posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: Isurrender73



Jesus did not exorcise Demons, he cured insanity and schizophrenia.


Did he do it by transferring insanity and schizophrenia to a herd of pigs?



posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 10:41 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Isurrender73



Jesus did not exorcise Demons, he cured insanity and schizophrenia.


Did he do it by transferring insanity and schizophrenia to a herd of pigs?



It was sign for the mentally unstable man who believed he was possed by a legion of demons. It was a loving sign that cured the man of his insanity.

It was a sign, the covenant made with Isreal included a Christ that would come with signs and miracles.

All of these answers were given to Israel in the OT, but they continued to believe in Demonic Possession and other God's. Moses made it clear that their are no other God's and we have freewill.




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posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 10:45 AM
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a reply to: Isurrender73

Ah. But, it wasn't so loving for those poor innocent pigs, and whoever owned them as livestock.



posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Isurrender73

Ah. But, it wasn't so loving for those poor innocent pigs, and whoever owned them as livestock.



Are you sure the pigs were innocent?



posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 10:49 AM
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a reply to: windword

A thread that caters to you perfectly my good nemisis.
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posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 10:56 AM
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a reply to: tony9802

Maybe Jesus isn't the good man he is. There is a saying he is an elitist and that his descendants walked the Earth plotting to establish a theocratic kingdom on Earth.



posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 11:12 AM
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originally posted by: starwarsisreal
a reply to: tony9802

Maybe Jesus isn't the good man he is. There is a saying he is an elitist and that his descendants walked the Earth plotting to establish a theocratic kingdom on Earth.


His spiritual descendents do walk the earth.

Their is a significant difference between the Elite and Elitists. Money does make someone Elite it makes them greedy Elitists. The Elite are always humble they are never Elitists.
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posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 11:20 AM
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a reply to: Isurrender73

I meant his actual biological descendants. Its highly probable that Jesus did married and have children and those children and their descendants want to establish their kingdom.


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posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 12:04 PM
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a reply to: randyvs

HAHA! Merry Christmas my fine adversary!

I'm off to join family now! Hitting the road and hoping for a smooth ride!



posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 12:19 PM
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originally posted by: starwarsisreal
a reply to: Isurrender73

I meant his actual biological descendants. Its highly probable that Jesus did married and have children and those children and their descendants want to establish their kingdom.



I would agree with this...



posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: Isurrender73

Well to be honest with you if possession and demonic attacks did not exist then why on earth would the catholic church need exorcists? That's a little naive..and it must be that you are not too familiar with live cases of this phenomenon..read about it since it is real and even exorcists themselves can witness to it..


the devil can murder so long as god allows him to..



posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 12:28 PM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: tony9802

Why do you think there is more material that deals with jesus besides the bible? And why would there be massive amounts of this literature out there? Are you older than 12?


I'm much older than 12 and I am sorry if you not aware of literature concerning demonic attack..an entire portion and discipline in theology is devoted to this study, and that is where the literature is found..you must be terribly naive and maybe you are the one who is young and ignorant...



posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 12:29 PM
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a reply to: the2ofusr1

I am looking forward to watching the video, thank you..



posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 12:30 PM
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a reply to: Isurrender73

Before any catholic exorcism can take place insanity must be ruled out...
You are ill informed...
Only when supernatural forces have presented themselves in the possessed and a full investigation rules out any natural cause can the case be presented for acceptance for the right of exorcism...

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posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 12:34 PM
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It's not Jesus or god allowing any evil. The evil beings are in psychotronics and occluding there attacks from beings that protect us. Evil humans are behind this. This is the end of time.



posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: tony9802

I had watched a YT clip from Dr. Heiser on the date of the birth of Jesus .(Sept 11, 3 BC ) and found it to be quite convincing .His latest podcast # 138 is on the same subject but brings in so much more .It is actually staggering what that date of Sept. 11 3 bc actually has linked to it . Any how this is the link . be amazed and be blessed www.nakedbiblepodcast.com...



posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 12:49 PM
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Hey there tony old buddy....good that we talk about what's really the crux

It's simple ....I'll pray for your vision.......whatcha this....

Love you bud......



posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 12:53 PM
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originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: Isurrender73

The bible contains demonic possession and exorcism in it...
Are you sane?


Exactly, otherwise there would be no need for the creation of exorcists..



posted on Dec, 25 2016 @ 12:56 PM
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originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: Isurrender73

Before any exorcism can take place insanity must be ruled out...
You are ill informed...
Only when supernatural forces have presented themselves in the possessed and a full investigation rules out any natural cause can the case be presented for acceptance for the right of exorcism...


so now you are saying that possession, exorcism and exorcists do exist..I am glad that you changed your mind,



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