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Remember that black church that got torched?

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posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: Advantage

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: peskyhumans
a reply to: Anonopolis

Completely agree. Myself and most people I know (mostly conservatives) walk through life trying to keep our head down. If we see something offensive, we look the other way. We change the channel. We walk out of the store. Life it too short to be angry all the time. I troll a lot online, but that's just my online persona. IRL I'm no bark, no bite.

But liberals? You have BLM, you have this guy in the news who just shot a postal worker in NY who looked like Donald Trump. You have gays suing Christian bakeries and flower shops, you have an abortion doctor charging protesters with a knife. It's insane. The left needs to get out of this mentality of looking for problems, and creating them if they can't find any.


And you conservatives have people beat and hang a gay guy on a fence (Matthew Shepherd), one that shoots a Doctor who performs abortions while he is at church (George Tiller), another who tries to blow up an abortion clinic (nutjob in colorado springs), one that walks into a prayer meeting and shoots nine people dead because they are black (Dylan Roof). Do you really want to play this game?


Ill play.
Conservatives can be both left or right or centrist. Conservatives can be fiscally conservatives and social liberals. Conservatives can be religious or not. Conservatives can be Democrats or Republicans.

Youre not playing this game very well.


Liberals can be all of the above as well, I think I play the game very well, someone calls names, I point the finger back at them. I am tired of the broad brush being used to paint all that those you disagree with. Common sense would tell me that we have more in common than not.

Americans need to find some common sense answers to some serious questions, or this division will continue.

What I find interesting is that you were not the one I quoted or responded to, but you felt the need to defend your "side", I would imagine that SJW and snowflake will not be far behind.


You imagine wrong. In fact, youre assumptions about me are by far very wrong. But youll still make them.. in public.. with no shame that you might be seen as a real broad brusher. Far be it from me to stop you. You preach against division... and totally hold up divisional assumptions. I dont defend a side, I will defend the meaning of a word though. Particularly when its being used to paint a huge segment of people something that they arent.
Are you sure you want to play this game?? You seem pretty terrible at it.




posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 08:06 PM
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Remember when Swastika's appeared around Nassau County College and the media reported that it was White Supremacist Trump Supporters that got the blame?

Man Who Drew Swastikas Across Nassau Community College Arrested: Police


According to authorities, Jasskirat Saini, 20, of Central Park Road, was arrested at 12:38 p.m. for multiple bias incidents at Nassau Community College.



posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 08:28 PM
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But wait! There's more ...

Remember the student at the University of Michigan who told authorities that a young white man threatened to set her hair on fire if she didn't remove her hijab?


Several days after the U.S presidential election in November, a female student at the University of Michigan reported being attacked by a man who threatened that if she did not remove her hijab, her would set her on fire.

The student told police that the obeyed the man’s order before fleeing the scene and reporting the incident. She described the perpetrator as a white male between the ages of 20 and 30. University police alerted students of the alleged crime, and said they were “disturbed by this report of hate crime in our community.” The FBI was called in to investigate.

Now police in Ann Arbor have determined that the “hate crime” never happened. After conducting multiple interviews and reviewing surveillance footage, investigators found “numerous inconsistencies” in the alleged victim’s statements, which led them to conclude that she made it all up.


Uh-oh! Someone else told a tale about things that never took place after the election. I wonder if she got the university to create a new Muslim safe space though.



posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 08:53 PM
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Reading the OP and a lot of the replies, all I see is " We are not the one's that are racist, you are." " Our political side doesn't have nut jobs yours does."

Look, I am a Trump supporter, and all I can say is if you think your race, political party, or identity category doesn't have some really stupid people, that will do almost anything wrong to get what they think is right, then you may need to reevaluate your critical thinking skills.

I believe that discussions like this need to be at the forefront of national debate, but I also believe that there is a certain percentage on both sides of this argument that refuse to take a unbiased approach toward a solution.

Civil discourse can only be held with respect and understanding. Once hostility is perceived, the path toward solutions dissolve.



posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 09:02 PM
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a reply to: 3daysgone

If that's all you see, than maybe you need a filter check.

What we're saying is that perhaps the sudden glut of hate crimes the media reported on as fact and fait accompli before the investigations were even begun, should be treated with at least as much suspicion as the press treats every act of possible Islamic terrorism.

In other words, simply reporting on a story of one person making allegations as proof of widespread racism as they have is a disservice and discredit to them. Here we have three instances where Trump supporters as a body were tried and convicted by the press as a whole based on a incidents that now turn out to have been hoaxes.

Maybe if this was a new thing I'd be more sympathetic, but this tends to destroy lives. Look at what happened in the Duke LaCrosse case or how about the Virginia University gang rape story? Both high profile fake stories that the entire national press ran with as gospel that destroyed people.

And they still do it.



posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 09:22 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko
I agree with what you are saying. I was talking about the civil discourse with a topic such as this. Look at the arguments in this thread. Some people can't have civil discourse like this, without throwing out a snide comment. I do believe that there is at least the appearance an agenda that is going, but there are still a lot of dots to connect before we can say, see it is the other side's fault. I mean the evidence does seems to be building in that direction though.

That is my unbiased thought on the subject.



posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: peskyhumans

no i dont - but i am sure pepperidge farms do - i shall ask them later



posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 09:31 PM
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a reply to: peskyhumans

Thank you.

I've come to the conclusion that European countries, for longest time, didn't have this problem. Diversity, unfourtantely doesn't work in sense of under one nation.

Please, before people spout I am racist, I assure you I am not. I am finally a born again Christian and I believe every religion plays part. Diversity in Syria is really Christian vs Islam. Right now, 51 countries are banning Christians, stoning them, publicly executing them.

It just doesn't work.

If blacks and whites worked together and liberated African, than moved to Africa there is no bias of color. No force of religion. African American people are very intelligent. There is no world hunger. Africa is fruitful. They just don't have means to live off land because lack democracy and technology, mainly schools.

Imagine all Muslims in middle east, imagine Latinos in central and south America. t's not hard to "Americanized" the world, not by religion but by differences. Most are. With economics, schools, and diplomacy.

Yes, there will still be problems and wars, but natural influence of world can prevent them. If we used this approach to life, a push towards a constitutional national republic that when successful turns socialist (free education, free medical, free daycares) it's people are happy.

I'm not going to dispute if holocaust is real, or not. Hitler had the right idea. What he turned Germany into wasn't bad for German people. We look at him as anti-semetic, which he was, he felt wronged by them. He felt they should go Madagascar and practice and do whatever their culture allows. Do I agree with 6 million jews died? It's sad to know this. This is culture Christian faith came from.

But honestly, if every nation was diplomatic national socialist world would work far better. This is why Muslims loved Hitler. This is why Hindus loved Hitler. This is why blacks loved Hitler. Ironically, even 30% of Jews agreed to his plan.

Faith, Hope, Charity should be charge of every nation.

China grows more rapid not to beat of diversity, but to unity. White Gentile fundamental kingdoms (North America/Europe) is loosing this. As we fight amongst ourselves Africa, land gave life to us all, is being destroyed and sullied. No black man wishes this absurdity to his home land. I, a white man, don't wish this absurdity.

If all our problems is homosexuality, gender identification, and womens rights, that is a nation that has succeeded. But nation can't suceed with these problems and oppression, clash of culture, and influential suicide.

It is no doubting a secret war is here already, it always has been. Go prison and these people hate white people, they talk about how many mixed babies that tax money have to support, they demand and plot genocide to us. Now it's the Latinos. They wave these Mexican and Kenya flags, or whatever. What have they done to change Mexico? What have they done for Kenya? You watch these documentaries about missionaries, almost all white, some dying brutally because they help, than come home and fall victim to same culture they try to save.

I tried to point finger everywhere. Reptilians... Blacks... liberals... Mexicans... Illuminati... Bilderberg... It's simply religion. There are Jews that are radical and believe deeply in Talmud. They go back as far as Babylon, Sodem and Gomorrah. They was forced, prosecuted by its own people, the Christians/Catholics. For years lived in society not for them, but for "Jesus". They despise him. They demanded he be killed by crucifixion. They are Jewish Supremacist who work effortlessly to destroy the very lands that persecuted them. Plain and simple. They have a right to hate Christians or Jesus just as anyone.

It's no lie that they are good with money. These are very smart people who've tried to take over globe economically. They spread out and formed centralized banking, a belief that White Gentiles have fought and died 1000 times over in history. Every problem comes from these radical jews, and ironically the Christians get blamed.

Look at Homosexuality, problem all will agree is problem. Look who voted yes, who voted no. No Christian politician will say Yes to this, it was Jewish politicians who voted Yes. Do they accept homosexuality? No. They're way more strict than Christians. They do this to cause conflict against Christian people.

Every problem we have can be based from that very simple "silent war".

Slavery... "White Man is to blame for years of slavery." They don't mentioned Black Cheifs sold slaves to Jewish men who sold to white gentile with interest. Slavery is a Jewish practice. Ask any Judaism scholar, when their Messiah to arrive every Jew must own 2800 slaves.

If look at the Elite. 95% is Jewish, not Gentile. It's practice of President to travel to Isreal and pray to Western wall. This is not Christian. We pray wherever in any way.

They are very radical people of any culture, any race, any religion. America is all of it. It's only matter of time before we plummet into war of complete complex diversity that surely will be the destruction of us all.

And so the great Holy Bible entails it.

May we one day be free, divided, and marching together equal in richness, equal in faith, equal in charity, and equal in hope. This is not a new world order, but 10 nations, 1000 states, with states rights, under democracy. May we turn the tide of Luciferian globalism, and show we realize men, not just Jesus, have died for freedom and our sins. Through these teachings should we Triumph equally as world. Together for love and happiness. Indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
edit on 21-12-2016 by Anonopolis because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: peskyhumans

McClinton! Seriously, are you f*cking kidding me? LOL!!!



posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 10:42 PM
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None of this surprises me at all. It's like, in your face obvious. Wouldn't have guessed the pastor himself would do it though, that's pretty low down.



posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 10:57 PM
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Remember when TYT made fun of the idea that a liberal could have set fire to the black church to frame trump supporters?



posted on Dec, 21 2016 @ 11:36 PM
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When their fictions don't match the reality, they have to invent it. But I think we knew this all along, didn't we? The depressing part is that the media pushed this narrative long before the truth was available.



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 12:04 AM
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originally posted by: goou111
He could have been Obamas son



Oh snip, that so funny I almost blew my coffee out my nose!



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 12:33 AM
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a reply to: Violater1

Brilliant! Sounds like a covert Operation.



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 03:05 AM
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a reply to: peskyhumans

This is happening quite a lot, and it seems people are being given orders to set fires to their own mosques to try to blame Trump supporters/the right in general.



Islamophobia
12/28/15 10:02 AM
Two mosques were attacked by arsonists over the Christmas holiday
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The Council on American-Islamic Relations has requested California police investigate the attack as a hate crime, and that Houston police look into a possible bias motive in the arson.

Both attacks come as anti-Islamic rhetoric has found a new home as a political platform in the U.S. in the wake of attacks carried out by terrorists in San Bernardino, Calif., and Paris. Donald Trump is certainly the main offender, but he is far from the only one.
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fusion.net...


Man charged with setting Houston mosque fire says he was a devout attendee
By Carol Christian and Leah Binkovitz Updated 3:59 pm, Wednesday, December 30, 2015
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A spokeswoman for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives confirmed that the suspect, 37-year-old Gary Nathaniel Moore of Houston, was arrested early Wednesday. Moore appeared in court at 7 a.m., spokeswoman Nicole Strong said, and bond was set at $100,000.

According to a charging instrument released by the Harris County District Clerk, Moore told investigators at the scene that he has attended the storefront mosque for five years, coming five times per day to pray seven days per week.
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www.chron.com...-9164075

This tactic is being used in other countries as well.



France: An imam confesses to vandalizing his own mosque

November 17, 2013 1:46 pm By Robert Spencer

The imam “confessed that he did so to settle scores with others at the mosque.” That seems a strange way to settle internal disputes, however. Graffiti found on Muslim installations generally casts suspicion on “Islamophobes,” which is why Hamas-linked CAIR and other Muslims have not hesitated to stoop even to fabricating “hate crimes,” including attacks on mosques. CAIR and other groups like it want and need hate crimes against Muslims, because they can use them for political points and as weapons to intimidate people into remaining silent about the jihad threat.
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www.jihadwatch.org...

AUSTRALIA: Imam caught in the act vandalizing his own mosque

There are certainly some attacks made by white racists because they are hateful. But apparently there are not enough such attacks. So it seems that the order was given to some Muslim radicals to set fires, and vandalize their own mosques to play the "victim".

The people that truly do these things in the name of hate deserve the same time in prison as the Muslim radicals who have been caught setting fires to their mosques and vandalizing them to make it look like they are being threatened. To try to instill a "fear of Islamophobia"...




edit on 22-12-2016 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 05:36 AM
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It comes out he voted Burnie



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: Swills

Yeah, they black guy with the church probably used the same reasoning as the fire fighter. Niether of them wanted to hurt the cause of their political enemies no matter what they may or may not say. No, they wanted to exploit others' fear from those political groups to scapegoat their crimes. Smart and dumb.



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko
The other possibility is race hatred, burning and bombing churches is a big thing I hear.

link to images of church bombings and burnings during the 60's



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 04:41 PM
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originally posted by: zosimov
Sorry to burst your partisan bubble, but people on both sides of the fence are capable of doing horrendous things.

Case in point, Michael Greene, cop killer:

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Kind of silly to think that evil/stupidity is a partisan issue, dontcha think?

As for your OP, well, what a fool for burning down his own church. I'll bet he's feelin the bernin shame right about now.

Unless I missed something, your argument is empty and ignorant. The cop shooter was a Trump supporter. OK? So what? In the case of the church, it was a black man THAT TRIED TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A TRUMP SUPPORTER DID IT! See the little, tiny difference there? You compare two acts of violence pretending they are the same but one includes conspiracy to place blame on another person or group.

Please tell me what I missed, or admit it took you an hour just to find something resembling your argument. Cause I sure as hell don't remember anyone on the right bombing a school and trying to blame Clinton supporters.



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 04:44 PM
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originally posted by: angryproctologist
a reply to: peskyhumans

It is time to get rid of affirmative action.

Shhhh...don't say that so loudly or those Trump people may realize that we are NOT all treated equally. The left wouldn't like that. They get "special rights". Didn't you get the memo. I hear they even want the right to whip out their penis in the woman's restroom.



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