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EC Voting Almost Over, Can We Talk About Russian Intervention Now?

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posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: drewlander
a reply to: theantediluvian

Yes, let us talk about it. When democrats get on board with simple measures to eliminate the potential for voting fraud among undocumented citizens ( ID's for instance ) I will start to take them more seriously when they make claims of election fraud.

Are we done with this topic now?


At least when the Left get Elected there are no hanging chads or possible hacking involved, and they also win the Popular Vote.




posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 06:39 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Sure, lets talk about the hacking. First off, what was the information that was released?

second, was any of it untrue?

Third, how did the release of that information change the outcome of the election?

fourth, I thought it was Comey's fault? Who will get blamed next week?



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 06:40 PM
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a reply to: reldra

No.

The only difference is scripted vs unscripted.




posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 06:42 PM
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originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: angeldoll

I think that a few of you here should sit down, and agree on what the Russians actually "did"

You are just like your party, deeply divided by your fake news.

Get a grip


Fake news is this:

1) Clinton hides colostomy bag under suit.
2) Clinton hides catheter under suit.
3) Clinton wears earpiece during debate.
4) Chelsea's apartment building has hospital on one floor.
5) Flashlight turns into a diazepam pen and SS agent holding such becomes some sort of neurosurgeon.


Fake news is not:

1)MSM reports polls that were taken and were incorrect. They also reported the correct ones, like LA Times.
2) Don Lemon recognizes a protester as someone he worked with years before at another station.

The RIGHT is KING in fake news and blogs.


Wow. No. Fake news is any news that cannot be verified with an actual source. So the "Russian's Influenced the elections via DNC hack" is completely fake news.

The break down is posted here;

Russian Hack Fake News

Your top examples are SILLY news -- Satire fake news like they would post in the national enquirer. The MSM reporting completely falsified exit polling data, and then when they got caught say "Oops, here is the real one" and then when the election is over they apologize for being blatantly biased to the DNC -- is definitely FAKE news. It was fabricated, manufactured to steer public opinion. It wasn't ever real and it wasn't just "incorrect" it was intended to create a narrative. This is the very literal definition of propaganda, which is fake news that spreads and PROPAGATES [hence propaganda] via word of mouth.

It's important to note that they never would have apologized if it actually worked and Hillary won the eleciton. She didn't, and when she didn't, it exposed them -- as such, in order to hold on to any credibility, the MSM doubled down and down right apologized for publishing fake news. They continue to post fake news, just like they always have since the inception of the CIA.

CIA Admits Using News To Manipulate the USA (1975)

This was when the CIA was lobbying congress in 1975 to legalize the use of propaganda. They succeeded in 2013 with the NDAA. [National Defense Authorization Act.]

This isn't a right or left thing, this is a CIA shadow government thing that they want you to think is a partisan issue to keep us divided.

The CIA IS the shadow government.
edit on 19-12-2016 by SRPrime because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 06:42 PM
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a reply to: ugmold

In order for there to be hanging chads, the right has to call for innumerable vote recounts which really doesn't happen all that often.

Also, get over the popular vote already. That isn't the system by which the president is elected in this country as has been explained over and over, and in fact, the thread that explains that the only reason Hillary has popular vote is due to California tells you exactly why we don't have the national popular vote.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 06:45 PM
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originally posted by: Zimnydran

originally posted by: Pyle
No reason? Putin has invaded and annexed Crimea. He invaded a sovereign nation to steal its land and not have to pay rent for the port they were using. But apparently that is nothing and not worthy of sanctions against Russia.




Believe it or not, the People of Crimea voted. The will of the people was served...not the will of the men is suits.
Right, wrong, good or bad.... I will always side with the People. Do you honestly believe that Russia invaded, conquered, and annexed a country? Dont you find it even a little strange that the UN did not call for a fair and observed vote to determine the will of the people of Crimea?..... that they somehow magically just knew that they were happy as a pig in sheet being part of Ukraine
95% of the people voted to become part of Russia....and that fact is not talked about because they dont want anyone else getting ideas


The fact of the vote was talked about and if the people had voted before they were occupied by Russia the results might have some credibility.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 06:50 PM
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originally posted by: Natas0114
a reply to: Hazardous1408

I also care about national security. Enough to the point of actually being part of it. Marines, 4 tours, top secret security clearance. Class 3 FFL. You? Let me guess, no active duty service....


Thank you and God Bless you for caring. If only more were like you. Snowflakes might melt under your gaze but real men thank you for your service to protect our freedoms.
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posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 06:50 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

The hacks were going on since before Trump was the candidate! McCarthyism is alive and well. It's crazy that you guys can't see it in yourselves.


edit on 19-12-2016 by TheBulk because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 06:55 PM
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a reply to: Pyle

Except no one was "occupied by Russia" until after the vote was over and done with. Instead, people were occupied by other things like what was revealed in the DNC emails to be close collusion between the Clinton campaign and the DNC to prevent Sanders from having a free and fair shot at the primary victory.

Funny how you whine that your candidate was unfairly colluded against when you own candidate unfairly colluded against her primary opponent and so was the very real beneficiary of election meddling herself. Too bad the leaks came too late to save Sanders, huh? Then you might not have such a problem with them.

So now you are in the uncomfortable position of defending your candidate from the very type of meddling that she herself was engaged in and benefited from ... only you have no direct proof. Certainly, there wasn't enough to bring it up BEFORE the election night results, and I think if the results had put Hillary in office, no one would be opening their mouths about this today. Russians? What Russians?

And of course, none of this changes the fact that no one has ever bothered to deny anything in those emails, meaning you all pretty much own them as true. So the Clinton campaign did conspire with the DNC to cheat in the primary and keep Bernie from having any chance. Hillary and her campaign did collude with a long list of MSM journalists to either plant stories they wanted published or get editorial discretion over stories the journos wanted to run. And finally, Hillary Clinton's Foundation was a massive pay for play scam to be used for selling access to government at the highest levels.

But the only concern of the left is that we know this now for truth and not just speculation and it might have hurt Clinton at the ballot box? Really?



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 06:55 PM
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Please limit posts to the actual topic. Thanks much.

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posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 06:57 PM
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originally posted by: ugmold

At least when the Left get Elected there are no hanging chads or possible hacking involved, and they also win the Popular Vote.


The hanging chads were the Democrat's fault.

They took the low bid on the punch-card cutter sharpening.




posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 06:59 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

Why would it be? Possibly because Loretta Swit is 79? She was not realizing what you say.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 07:01 PM
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Regardless, perhaps the government should simply pull a BSG and put all its agencies on internalized intranet systems with internet access on separate devices like personal tablets or phones.

That solves the problem of external hacking of crucial systems via internet.
edit on 19-12-2016 by ketsuko because: realized my thought was incomplete



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 07:04 PM
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I hope I do not have to hear about this election for the next four years.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 07:08 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Dare I say Macarthyism is alive and well today with the new slogan of 'The Russians, are hacking, The Russians are hacking!'



This is Mccarthyism. It was mainly attacks on American citizens and Communism. It was not generally used to say Russia influenced elections.


During the McCarthy era, thousands of Americans were accused of being communists or communist sympathizers and became the subject of aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private-industry panels, committees and agencies. The primary targets of such suspicions were government employees, those in the entertainment industry, educators and union activists. Suspicions were often given credence despite inconclusive or questionable evidence, and the level of threat posed by a person's real or supposed leftist associations or beliefs was often greatly exaggerated. Many people suffered loss of employment and/or destruction of their careers; some even suffered imprisonment. Most of these punishments came about through trial verdicts later overturned,[3] laws that were later declared unconstitutional,[4] dismissals for reasons later declared illegal[5] or actionable,[6] or extra-legal procedures that would come into general disrepute.


Many writers and actors were blacklisted for 2 decades from working. Do you actually find the Left would paricipate in that?

Your idea of the Left is ALL of Hollywood. We are mainly Go Hillay! Go Bernie (a socialist!) ! or Go...anyone but Trump.

The left asks for investigation into the Russian government under Putin influencing the election. Nothing like people recall Republcan Senator Joseph McCarthy to be.
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Some Republicans have asked that Russian influence be investigated. So, this is not really a 'Left' thing.
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posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 07:10 PM
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a reply to: reldra

I don't know. Ask Brendan Eich.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 07:11 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

We do the exact same thing around the world. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 07:14 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: reldra

I don't know. Ask Brendan Eich.


About what? You don't quote what you are referring to.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 07:17 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko
Well, thanks to you I looked up Eich. I found no indication that he in any way was the target of a government run pogrom such as Mccarthyism. Do you wish to display your grand intelligence and knowledge base for us dummies who cannot see the connection that you seem to? Or did you just toss out that name because you like the way it sounds.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 07:20 PM
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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: ketsuko
Well, thanks to you I looked up Eich. I found no indication that he in any way was the target of a government run pogrom such as Mccarthyism. Do you wish to display your grand intelligence and knowledge base for us dummies who cannot see the connection that you seem to? Or did you just toss out that name because you like the way it sounds.


I'm sorry. The Hollywood blacklist that prevented celebrities from working was not government via any mandate or law. It was simply understood that these suspect individuals would not work.




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