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Trump slams Beijing; US says China will return underwater drone-Was It Retaliation for Taiwan?

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posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 12:00 AM
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a reply to: seasonal



He already had Mexico wanting to "modernize" nafta, Community Organizer 0.

LOL How so? Or do you suddenly believe that Mexico's politicians & bureaucrats don't lie like our politicians do? Let's see if NAFTA actually gets "modernized" before we give any points here. Though I fail to see why anyone trusts that Trump will actually push to change NAFTA. His business directly benefits from NAFTA with the products he makes there.



He already has IBM hiring 25,000 employees, Community Organizer 0.

Our economy was losing hundreds of thousands of jobs per month, Wall Street was on the verge of collapse, and the US auto industry was on the brink of collapse when Obama got into office. But even when Republicans wanted to let the US auto industry fail, the Obama administration saved it by bailing them out. Now the NASDAQ, S&P 500, and New York Stock Exchange have all reached record highs during the Obama administration.

Trump has a looooong way to go before he's in the same league when it comes to jobs. Ironically, people were even complaining here when Taco Bell said before the election that they intended to create 100,000 new jobs here (HERE's the thread). So going by your logic:

Obama 100,000 >>>> Trump's hypothetical 25,000



Carrier, Community Organizer 0.

Is that really a victory? How many hundreds of jobs is Carrier still sending off again? And didn't Pence have to bribe them with tax cuts to keep the remaining jobs there? And didn't Carrier say it was investing in automation at that plant which will still phase out some of the "saved" jobs there?



Ford, Community Organizer 0.

See above. Or did you already forget about the auto Industry bailouts?




posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 12:03 AM
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a reply to: seasonal

LOL So now you're moving the goalposts & changing the criteria again? This is why you can't be taken seriously. You're so full of contradictions that it's sad.

ETA: Rubio, Cruz, Rand Paul, and McCain were also Senators when they were being candidates for the Presidency. So why was being a Senator enough of a qualification for them but not for Senator Obama?
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posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 12:12 AM
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a reply to: MALBOSIA

Aww you mad now? In all seriousness, stress kills. So maybe you really should take a breather to clear your mind? And no, I won't STFU until I choose to. ATS isn't your safe space. If you don't like someone's posts, don't read them or reply to them. Duh.

And for the record, even if you substituted the word "stuff" for "business", the results would be the same. Or while you were throwing your temper tantrum, did you overlook that every single thing I pointed out about Trump's stuff" was business related?

Remember, Trump has no political experience so he's still completely unproven politically. So of course I would have to point out the business-related "stuff" he's done in order to see if that's the good "stuff" you're referring to. It's like you're demanding people check his business record to prove he's qualified, but then complaining when we check his business record and see a lot of bad "stuff".



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 12:51 AM
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Good thing President Obama and the current Diplomatic Corp. are still running well, had Trump been running things with his picks I am not so sure this would have been so smooth. When was the last time a president elect tried to start dictating foreign policy publicly before Inauguration day? Was it Regen and the Iran Hostage crisis?



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 01:38 AM
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To me the reason china took the drone was simply to confirm what it was doing. In this case the drone was taking oceanographic measurements. Charting depths of thermocline layers. This tells china to expect increased us navy submarine activity in that specific area since subs employ the tactic of hiding under that layer.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 01:58 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

LMAO, it's too early man. Too early to reason with these Trumpettes man. They just don't get it.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 03:19 AM
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a reply to: FelisOrion

But it's been more than a month. How long do we have to put up with these blatant contradictions and double standards?

We'll be handing over the nuclear codes & full control of our military to a dude who literally has late night twitter meltdowns and is trying to conduct our foreign policy in 140 characters or less. Please reread that sentence. It's so absurd that it wouldn't even be a believable plot in a cheap indie film.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 04:37 AM
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originally posted by: FelisOrion
a reply to: enlightenedservant

LMAO, it's too early man. Too early to reason with these Trumpettes man. They just don't get it.


It's OK. He's about to show them himself. They'll get it then. Trust.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

Let's just slow down a moment here.
Very true, Obama took office in the bleakest of times and we pulled through. But let's not act like creating a trillion dollars from nothing was an original idea or that bailing out the banks was the best move. Also, the fact that the market is seeing all-time highs while GDP is stagnant tells me the value of many companies is much lower than its stock value would suggest. Many moves made over the last 8 years will come back to bite us much sooner than later. If I had to guess, 2017-18 will be very hard on the country, regardless of Trump.
Obama is no economic brainiac.
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posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant


Trump isn't president yet......





He already had Mexico wanting to "modernize" nafta, Community Organizer 0.


LOL How so? Or do you suddenly believe that Mexico's politicians & bureaucrats don't lie like our politicians do? Let's see if NAFTA actually gets "modernized" before we give any points here. Though I fail to see why anyone trusts that Trump will actually push to change NAFTA. His business directly benefits from NAFTA with the products he makes there.



He already has IBM hiring 25,000 employees, Community Organizer 0.


Our economy was losing hundreds of thousands of jobs per month, Wall Street was on the verge of collapse, and the US auto industry was on the brink of collapse when Obama got into office. But even when Republicans wanted to let the US auto industry fail, the Obama administration saved it by bailing them out. Now the NASDAQ, S&P 500, and New York Stock Exchange have all reached record highs during the Obama administration.

Trump has a looooong way to go before he's in the same league when it comes to jobs. Ironically, people were even complaining here when Taco Bell said before the election that they intended to create 100,000 new jobs here (HERE's the thread). So going by your logic:

Obama 100,000 >>>> Trump's hypothetical 25,000



Carrier, Community Organizer 0.


Is that really a victory? How many hundreds of jobs is Carrier still sending off again? And didn't Pence have to bribe them with tax cuts to keep the remaining jobs there? And didn't Carrier say it was investing in automation at that plant which will still phase out some of the "saved" jobs there?



Ford, Community Organizer 0.


See above. Or did you already forget about the auto Industry bailouts?



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant
Goal post was experience, and being a senator for a very short time and allowed to be president, isn't a deep resume. This has lead to dithering and not understanding the world needs a strong US now.

Trump has decades and decades of mistakes and successes. Over all very successful, and he was not chosen to be president, he had to rip it out of the powers that be's hands. You can see in their reaction that they are nor used to not getting their way. The people have spoken. Allow this to play out, becasue you and yours can't change it.

Nice try, try again.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 10:13 AM
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is trying to conduct our foreign policy in 140 characters or less.


I wouldn't say that, he's cutting out the middle man. Why go to the nypost, when you can go to twitter and in 140 characters or less, see what he's got to say. No different than having someone wave a mic at you trying to get comments for the evening edition.
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posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 10:29 AM
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a reply to: cenpuppie

And no pin headed twerp twisting his words in the corp/wealthy owned TPTB controlled media.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 10:43 AM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: enlightenedservant
Because Obama did lack experience. Running a large company, and I mean a very large co. like Trump has a lot of things in common with the US govt. Organizing a community is not in the same ball park.

Sorry, he was out of his depth and still is. This is the reason the world is in such a completely untenable place. Mom and Dad went away for the week and the kids are in control. It ends here in a month or so, Dad is home.

And while I may not agree with all Trump is going to do and say, I can make a prediction, the world will see a leader and not a dithering community org.

I enjoy seeing Trump panic the status quo, but you sir have daddy issues.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 12:44 PM
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Goal post was experience

Yeah right. You claimed that Trump running a large company was more in common with the US Govt than being a community organizer. That was the "goalpost". But when you were reminded that the community organizer also had experience as an elected US Senator & an elected State Senator (which is more govt experience than your candidate), you changed the criteria.

How is running a company more suitable experience for running the federal govt than actually being a powerful member in that federal govt?



This has lead to dithering and not understanding the world needs a strong US now.

You're saying this while defending a thin skinned President who literally has twitter feuds with beauty pageant contestants and Vanity Fair magazine. If that's your idea of strength then there's nothing I can say to reach you.



Over all very successful, and he was not chosen to be president, he had to rip it out of the powers that be's hands. You can see in their reaction that they are nor used to not getting their way. The people have spoken. Allow this to play out, becasue you and yours can't change it.

Is that why he's putting them in his Cabinet? LOL Yeah, he "ripped it out of their hands" and now is giving it back to them by appointing their members to literally run the Executive Branch. He sure showed them, right? Or did the right wing suddenly stop considering Goldman Sachs as one of "The Powers That Be"?

That's funny because not too long ago, Hillary was bashed repeatedly for getting paid $250,000 per speech at Goldman Sachs. So what changed?
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posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: cenpuppie
a reply to: enlightenedservant



is trying to conduct our foreign policy in 140 characters or less.


I wouldn't say that, he's cutting out the middle man. Why go to the nypost, when you can go to twitter and in 140 characters or less, see what he's got to say. No different than having someone wave a mic at you trying to get comments for the evening edition.

This whole thread is because Trump first put out a tweet attacking China for "stealing" the drone and then putting out a second tweet saying China should keep the drone. He is literally conducting foreign policy through individual tweets, which are less than 140 characters.

Usually, Presidents don't have to go to the NY Post or whatever to give foreign policy updates. The White House Press Corp usually gets daily updates from the White House Press Secretary or from an equivalent member of a specific agency or department. You know Fox's Dana Perino? She was Bush's White House Press Secretary and her job was literally to state the Bush Administration's positions on different issues to the press corp (which consists of a lot of media organizations).

These answers are usually checked beforehand to make sure they are compatible with current treaties, laws, and policy positions. They're also checked to make sure they don't reveal classified information or other sensitive issues. But Trump seems to simply speak on a whim without anyone checking him first and with no regards for the consequences.

Imagine for a second that Trump puts out a tweet saying the Palestinians deserve their own State. The repercussions would be enormous! Or if Trump says something like "How is Turkey's genocide of Armenians different from Hitler's genocide of the Roma? Hypocrites!". The very real backlash from Turkey, our ally and the 2nd largest army in NATO, would be ridiculous. What if he gets angry at North Korea and threatens to send in Navy Seals in a tweet? Not only would that compromise any upcoming special ops mission there, but it could be tantamount to a declaration of war through a tweet.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

"unprecedented?" Really? There's too many precedents set where one country has blatantly stolen something from another country. It's completely precedented.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 07:14 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: seasonal



Goal post was experience

Yeah right. You claimed that Trump running a large company was more in common with the US Govt than being a community organizer. That was the "goalpost". But when you were reminded that the community organizer also had experience as an elected US Senator & an elected State Senator (which is more govt experience than your candidate), you changed the criteria.


Actually, running a private sector company is not like an accountable government job. Even more so a private, family-run and owned one, like Trump's, compared to a publicly listed S&P 100 major corp.

A major CEO has to listen to his or her board. Trump has never had a boss (except his dad, and he didn't listen to dad either); he is unable to subsume his ego.

An owner-CEO has near dictatorial control over a privately owned company. The Presidency is not at all like that. In a private company, you can decide who your customers are, and what your business is. In government, you have to take care of all of the people, with all of their problems, even if they are uninteresting or distracting to your goals. You have much less freedom of action than a CEO and more constraints. And bankruptcy and failure are not options. No, declare BK, walk away, and start over with a new country.

If we're going to have a businessman, let it be an actually really good, wise, successful and capable businessman who has dealt with reality and complexity and has a good sense of knowing when he needs to learn more from people who know more than him.

For example, en.wikipedia.org...

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posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 07:46 PM
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If they're smart, they'll immediately scrap it upon return.. send it through the shredder. I'd be more worried about code inserted on the sly.

Trash it.. eat the loss.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 08:55 PM
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Likely china wanted the drone so that they could copy it and make a weapon out of it..

Take out the instrument package and put in a warhead.

Then all you need to do is program it to enter a port and park under a target and detonate.

They would then have a underwater cruise drone.
www.washingtonpost.com...
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